16 days post surgery and really concerned

[ElbowRoom]

NewGuy,
You will be good. Do not worry about regaining length. It is normal for the penis to shrink after such an invasive surgery. You will get back your original size, unless the surgeon undersizes you, which I don't believe will be the case.
My experience is similar to SWorks17. I wasn't able to start cycling before 6 weeks, and I was also a lot less than 5 inch after surgery, then afte 3-4 months of cycling I got to where I am now, 5.75 inch.

Also consider that if you were aggressively cycling a VED prior to surgery as most of us do, that your penis was probably looking more long and plump than normal anyway. It's been 16 days without all that forced pressure, so you're going to look smaller, no way around that.

Once you get to cycling you'll re-stretch all those tissues internally instead of by external vacuum, and things will start to return to normal.

BTW, look into amino acid supplements, they can really increase nitric oxide and hence blood flow to your member (as well as general athletic performance). I take the following daily (I'm still pre-op for my implant):

2000mg L-Arginine
2500mg L-Citrulline
2000mg Taurine
5000mg Creatine

Also beet root extract has a good effect and you can take it in powder or capsule form.

Since I started on these, I have noticed more frequent morning erections, sometimes "half chubby" erections during the day (about as much as I can get without Trimix), and better sensation and arousal. Also better cardio endurance. These have very few side effects other than occasional stomach upset if taken on an empty stomach, and are worth trying for any man with ED, pre- or post-implant surgery. Just give them a couple of weeks and see.

[Discovernew]

Hi guys!

I would like to share my journey with you and also have some questions.

Short overview about me:
41 years old, ED since forever.. no reason found.. Pills worked till age 35.. then i used Bimex-injections.. had two priapism after bimix within the last 12 months, so i decided to become bionic.

My surgery was around two weeks ago and i feel i am not a usual case.
My surgery took around 2,5 hours instead around 1 hour what is the usual time i guess and my recovery was a real nightmare at the first two weeks. I had MASSIV Pain and MASSIV swelling of my scrotum which only became better over the past 2-3 days. Today, the 16th day after surgery is the first day I am able to do normal stuff without strong limitations.
However, there is still swelling and some pain - but it´s not too bad anymore and i think it´s getting better now from day to day.
My surgeon is the one with the most implants in my country and the surgery was done within a training session for other doctors and also a very well known surgeon from another country was on the table too.

However, pre-surgery my surgeon and me agreed to get me the Rigicon Infla 10 AX, so the version wich also expand in length.
After the surgery my doctor came to me and explained they noticed during the surgery i have Peyronie's disease on one side and because of that they changed the surgery from Penoscrotal approach to subcoronal approach to have a better possibility to cut off the fibroses in the upper area and also because of this change of the approach they decided to switch from the Rigicon Infla 10 AX to the Rigicon Infla 10X which doesn´t expant in lenght, because with the subcoronal approach is a higher risk the cylinders can cut through the tissue as he explained.

So far - so good - well, not really.

I was still able to get strong errections before surgery with pills and/or Bimex - but wasn´t able to keep them up.. so i know my erect length a few days before surgery which was 6.1 inch.

Now, 16 days after surgery I am deflated (unable to cycle for now - still too much swelling and pain) and have a ridiculous length of 4.9 inch. So it seems I lost 1.2 inch, which is a lot for me and let me feel really depressed.

So I have a few questions and really appreciate every answer.

1. I can read that the cylinders should be placed mid glans - in my case i can feel the top of the cylinders right below the glans. Is this normal short after surgery and it will adjust by itself when i start cycling or is this already an issue?

2. A lot of you shared your experience with gaining length back by cycling. However, is this also the case with implants that doesn´t expand in length? If yes, how does it work? Because in my understanding the implant can not shrunk in lengh, so where does the lenght come from you gained back by cycling? Also how much inch did you get back by cycling? Is it possible to get almost 1,5 inch back? I feel that´s a lot.

3. I hope I don´t need to do it, but I already consider a revision. Because if it stays with the 4.9 inch, i really don´t know how to live and can´t think I am able to come together with a woman again. - So, has anyone experience how fast after the surgery a revision is possible?
I have an post-surgery appointment with my surgeon in 6 weeks and because he is really busy it´s a bit difficult to talk to him before the appointment. Also because it´s a 5 hour drive. - So for now I try to stay calm and wait for the appointment to see what he will tell me. But if he says the 4.9 inch will be my new length, I will directly get in touch with other surgeons for second opinions and if possible for a revision, even if it means i have to pay it out of my pocket. The first surgery was paid by my insurence. But I don´t care how much I have to pay if I can hopefully get my length back.

Yeah, so i think you guys can tell I am a bit depressed right now.. So I am grateful for anything you like to share after reading my story.

Thanks.

Hi! in which country did you do this and who was your surgeon?

Is your glans floppy? meaning does it move around a lot or is it firm when you are inflated?

By the way, are your sizes measurement bone pressed or without pressing?

By the way, if you are deflated, your length doesn't mean anything. You need to inflate to see your real length.

I was undersized in my first surgery and i got 3cm bigger implant in the next surgery

[SWorks17]

You have got to cycle, no pain no gain.

Sure. I will do as soon as I am able to.

NewGuy, it takes time and you're at the very beginning of your journey. I wasn't able to cycle my implant till week 6 when I got device training on my implant. At 6 weeks when I was deflated and then I had to inflate as much as I could, I think I was barely at 5 inches. It was painful to get in just 10 pumps. Yes, it was a little depressing and it hurt like heck.
For me it took around 6 months before I was back to my original length of 6.25 inches. It's gonna take time and persistence on your side, so don't give up.

You'll get there,
SWorks

It's traumatic surgery to a very sensitive part of your body. I would try not to be too concerned as you are still very early post op and have a long way to go. It sounds like your surgeon has done everything to get you the best outcome possible and you had a great team overseeing your operation.
I'm guessing the subcoronal procedure is why you had so much pain, as it's more complex and probably affects more nerves.
The massive scrotal swelling is normal, mine was the size of a large grapefruit.
Try not to worry too much about the length this early, you haven't even started cycling yet.
Things like pubic swelling and so on can also have an impact on the initial size.
I was also disappointed at first with my erect length but I knew that it is very common to be shorter than expected initially.
But after some healing, being partially erect for 6 weeks, and 9 days into cycling I can now see progress and erect length is very slowly getting closer to what I used to have. Once you are able to start cycling you will likely start to see improvement, but it will probably take a long time.
I doubt that you need a revision. Most of what you describe is normal in my experience, and similar to the experience of others that I've read on here.
My understanding is that all implant cylinders are stiff at first but will soften and conform with time and cycling, regardless of whether they have any claimed expansion properties. You can find plenty of examples on FT where someone had a non expanding implant and eventually regained their size through diligent cycling. I agree with wilsonmill, no pain no gain, but wait until you are comfortable to start cycling. Please try and relax, and put the idea of a revision out of your mind.

Thank you both. Just reading your support is helping to be a bit more relaxed.
However, you both have an LGX-Implant, so you had the better foundation for regaining length.
I have also read about gaining length back with "normal" implants by cycling, i just don´t understand how it works and that´s why I am a bit concerned.
I agree that I am very early and of course I will wait and see - I don´t have another choice.
But it helps to write down my experience and get some support. So thank you for this.

It´s just really hard to read other experiences where guys are able do inflate after just after a few days and/or don´t having any swelling/pain and/or can see their original length right after surgery.
That makes me wonder why it´s so different in my case.. because like i wrote above, i was able to get good looking erections right before surgery and for that reason it´s difficult for me to understand the Peyronie's disease they discovered during the surgery was so bad that i have such a bad progress for now.

NewGuy, even though I got the LGX, I don't think I've gained any more than what I had originally.
My internal measurements were 10cm proximal and 11cm distal and I got the LGX 18cm with 3cm rear tip extenders, both equal 21cm. If anything I think I am oversized a bit because I had so much pain while cycling and trying to get past 20 minutes without a lot of discomfort the last couple of minutes out of that 20. It took me 6 months before I could get to an hour and a half fully inflated without any discomfort. Even at three years, I still have discomfort after 1.5 hours of being fully inflated.
I was supposed to have got the CX model, which is stiffer, I'm not sure why my doc and the Boston Scientific rep decided to give the LGX during the surgery.
It works good and I can't complain, but I don't think I can get any more length with the LGX.

SWorks

[wilsonmill]

Well you may be at the point in which the good Lord blessed you with. Other than length are you happy? You hurt now after only 1 1/2hrs, you want a longer one? Every man's dream, be happy with what you have, enjoy it with someone in your life. Good luck

[NewGuy2025]

Thank you everybody for your supportive words!
That really helps to stay calm and looking forward to the further development.
I answer to all your replies below:

Hi! in which country did you do this and who was your surgeon?

Is your glans floppy? meaning does it move around a lot or is it firm when you are inflated?

By the way, are your sizes measurement bone pressed or without pressing?

By the way, if you are deflated, your length doesn't mean anything. You need to inflate to see your real length.

I was undersized in my first surgery and i got 3cm bigger implant in the next surgery

My Surgery was in Germany. Please check your private messages. I have already answered your private message where you asked who my surgeon was
I don´t want to disclose the name public before i know the exact outcome.
However, i will disclose the name as soon as i know for sure the outcome is good or bad.

For now (day 19) I am not able to inflate, because i still have a partly swollen scrotum and can´t reach the deflation button, so I can´t tell if i have a floppy glans. I guess that´s the hard part for me right now.. I have to wait till i am able to pump and in the meanwhile i don´t know exactly what the outcome will be and just see what I have now - and that´s short.

My measurements are bone pressed. both, the 6.1 inch days before surgery as the 4.9 inch i have now deflated.

Good to hear my deflated length doesn´t mean anything. however, some people say what you have inflated is the same as you have deflated if you don´t have an implant that expands in length - guess that´s another point why i am concerned. But good to hear a lot of you guys telling me that´s wrong. Just wondering where the "growing" shall come from.. however, have no choice than wait and see.. and hoping for the best

Really hope it doesn´t need much more time till I am able to inflate for the first time, to get a better impression of the situation.

NewGuy,
You will be good. Do not worry about regaining length. It is normal for the penis to shrink after such an invasive surgery. You will get back your original size, unless the surgeon undersizes you, which I don't believe will be the case.
My experience is similar to SWorks17. I wasn't able to start cycling before 6 weeks, and I was also a lot less than 5 inch after surgery, then afte 3-4 months of cycling I got to where I am now, 5.75 inch.

Thank you for your kind words! That gives hope!

Also consider that if you were aggressively cycling a VED prior to surgery as most of us do, that your penis was probably looking more long and plump than normal anyway. It's been 16 days without all that forced pressure, so you're going to look smaller, no way around that.

Once you get to cycling you'll re-stretch all those tissues internally instead of by external vacuum, and things will start to return to normal.

BTW, look into amino acid supplements, they can really increase nitric oxide and hence blood flow to your member (as well as general athletic performance). I take the following daily (I'm still pre-op for my implant):

2000mg L-Arginine
2500mg L-Citrulline
2000mg Taurine
5000mg Creatine

Also beet root extract has a good effect and you can take it in powder or capsule form.

Since I started on these, I have noticed more frequent morning erections, sometimes "half chubby" erections during the day (about as much as I can get without Trimix), and better sensation and arousal. Also better cardio endurance. These have very few side effects other than occasional stomach upset if taken on an empty stomach, and are worth trying for any man with ED, pre- or post-implant surgery. Just give them a couple of weeks and see.

Yeah, I already took some of these. Didn´t consider to go on with after surgery, but maybe i will give it a shot. Thx!

A lot of things can remain hidden. I didn't have Peyronie's but my surgeon discovered scar tissue during my procedure, had to remove it, and told me about it later. I suspect it may have formed during the period when I was injecting with Trimix.

My understanding is that all implant cylinders initially are somewhat stiff and all have some give and will stretch to some degree, not only the LGX etc. Yes there is a claimed advantage with expanding cylinders, but I have not yet reached the point to test whether that claim actually works in practice. I'm hoping it will, but some say it does, some say it doesn't. We'll see, but I'm expecting it will take many months of diligent cycling before my implant reaches that level of maturity. I only had substantial gains in my flaccid length once I started cycling, and not so much erect. I saw no gains immediately after surgery, if anything I was smaller than in the past. I think that is a more common initial result than guys who see an immediate restoration of size.

Yeah, that makes sense, that every cylinder become more soft by time and for that reason also expand in length. Let´s hope that´s the case Thank you for this point of view i didn´t have before!

Breathe --

You are on the mend with no infections - thats being ahead of the game. I also imagine the surgical approach probably led to more pain, but the best part is that with time this will diminish.

Probably the thing you are most concerned about is size. Something my doctor told me rang true:

The point of these surgeries isn't to gain size, but to regain functionality.

Can you gain size? Realisticaly? Maybe a tiny bit, but more than likely you will not loose any size - in the long run. Give this some time. You are still healing, and you have yet to begin cycling. The implant will need to be broken in and stretched - which inflating and deflating over and over will do - which will allow you to regain some size. I also freaked out after my surgery - I lost a good amount of size due to cancer / fibrosis / Peyrones - and a little bit after my surgery - but I'm regaining some - and hope to be back to at least my pre-surgery size by December (1 year mark).

I also had deformity from injections / Peyrones which the implant corrected.

Remember - regaining function is what is important. What good is it to have a 8" dick if it doesn't work? Yeah you may get hard with injections, but you have to inject, and thats limited to once a day, and that is an absolute pain. Eventually injections do fail. I'd rather have my more modest size that will function without fail than a semi functioning but unuseable 8" dick.

Best of luck in your healing journey!

Thank you for your kind words and wishes!
Of course, I don´t want to gain more than I had before. But I want to keep what i had days before the surgery. That my only concern. If I have lost up to 1/2 inch it´s fine for me. But any more would be a hard one for me. Even if it´s "always hard".. You know, I have ED my whole life, so I am used to it not being able to have an erection on a natural way.. but when i got one (with pills or injections) i was really happy with the size I had. For me it was a good size i don´t need to be ashamed of and almost no women did notice that i have an issue if i did the injections secretly. But if I have lost almost 1.5 inch, that could lead to the situation women see me as a guy with a small dick. So in this case there is an issue I didn´t have before when i was able to manage to keep the medication secret.
But yeah, I can only wait and see.

Newguy, its not just with the lgx you gain your length back by cycling, but all inflatable implants.
Be patient and cycle and im 99% sure you will get back what you lost. Basically all men have the same reaction in the beginning, most likely you have NOT been undersized since your surgeon is very experienced so just keep it cool my friend

Thank you! Your supportive words are really appreciated!

Sorry to hear you're stressed but it's understandable. I know mine grows about a whole inch in length or a little more just from pumping it up & about half inch in girth. So I imagine once healed enough to inflate all the way you'll get more length than you currently have & then after you start cycling, you'll get the rest back. I'm 10 months out & have had about half inch growth in length just through healing & cycling to max. I think it's slowly stretching the tunica out. I have seen a lot of guys tips aren't half way in the glans at first & ends up being fine after cycling it. I think you'll be just fine. Wishing you good luck

That gives me really hope! Thank you mate!

NewGuy, it takes time and you're at the very beginning of your journey. I wasn't able to cycle my implant till week 6 when I got device training on my implant. At 6 weeks when I was deflated and then I had to inflate as much as I could, I think I was barely at 5 inches. It was painful to get in just 10 pumps. Yes, it was a little depressing and it hurt like heck.
For me it took around 6 months before I was back to my original length of 6.25 inches. It's gonna take time and persistence on your side, so don't give up.

You'll get there,
SWorks

Thank you! Really appreciate your supportive hope giving words!

It's traumatic surgery to a very sensitive part of your body. I would try not to be too concerned as you are still very early post op and have a long way to go. It sounds like your surgeon has done everything to get you the best outcome possible and you had a great team overseeing your operation.
I'm guessing the subcoronal procedure is why you had so much pain, as it's more complex and probably affects more nerves.
The massive scrotal swelling is normal, mine was the size of a large grapefruit.
Try not to worry too much about the length this early, you haven't even started cycling yet.
Things like pubic swelling and so on can also have an impact on the initial size.
I was also disappointed at first with my erect length but I knew that it is very common to be shorter than expected initially.
But after some healing, being partially erect for 6 weeks, and 9 days into cycling I can now see progress and erect length is very slowly getting closer to what I used to have. Once you are able to start cycling you will likely start to see improvement, but it will probably take a long time.
I doubt that you need a revision. Most of what you describe is normal in my experience, and similar to the experience of others that I've read on here.
My understanding is that all implant cylinders are stiff at first but will soften and conform with time and cycling, regardless of whether they have any claimed expansion properties. You can find plenty of examples on FT where someone had a non expanding implant and eventually regained their size through diligent cycling. I agree with wilsonmill, no pain no gain, but wait until you are comfortable to start cycling. Please try and relax, and put the idea of a revision out of your mind.

"mine was the size of a large grapefruit." - That sounds like me Really appreciate you sharing your experience with me! Thanks for helping me staying calm

NewGuy, even though I got the LGX, I don't think I've gained any more than what I had originally.
My internal measurements were 10cm proximal and 11cm distal and I got the LGX 18cm with 3cm rear tip extenders, both equal 21cm. If anything I think I am oversized a bit because I had so much pain while cycling and trying to get past 20 minutes without a lot of discomfort the last couple of minutes out of that 20. It took me 6 months before I could get to an hour and a half fully inflated without any discomfort. Even at three years, I still have discomfort after 1.5 hours of being fully inflated.
I was supposed to have got the CX model, which is stiffer, I'm not sure why my doc and the Boston Scientific rep decided to give the LGX during the surgery.
It works good and I can't complain, but I don't think I can get any more length with the LGX.

SWorks

That´s interessting. You got almost the same proximal and distal measerments as me. My doc told me i was measered 11,5 cm distal and 10 cm proximal and i got 18cm cylinders with 3,5 cm RTE - so 21,5 cm total - May I ask what length (inflated and bone-pressed) you have now?

[SWorks17]

That´s interessting. You got almost the same proximal and distal measerments as me. My doc told me i was measered 11,5 cm distal and 10 cm proximal and i got 18cm cylinders with 3,5 cm RTE - so 21,5 cm total - May I ask what length (inflated and bone-pressed) you have now?

NewGuy, I'm at 6.25 inches bone pressed.

SWorks

[NewGuy2025]

That´s interessting. You got almost the same proximal and distal measerments as me. My doc told me i was measered 11,5 cm distal and 10 cm proximal and i got 18cm cylinders with 3,5 cm RTE - so 21,5 cm total - May I ask what length (inflated and bone-pressed) you have now?

NewGuy, I'm at 6.25 inches bone pressed.

SWorks

Thanks mate!