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Guess it’s simple with the hydraulic ones: they just don’t inflate anymore, and you have to get it fixed ASAP.

With the malleable, how do you know it’s time for a revision? I heard something about ‘wobbling’ at the base? Also if the rods are pushing into your glans, is that irreparable damage?

‘Preciate any guidance here.

Ray Johnson wrote:Guess it’s simple with the hydraulic ones: they just don’t inflate anymore, and you have to get it fixed ASAP.

With the malleable, how do you know it’s time for a revision? I heard something about ‘wobbling’ at the base? Also if the rods are pushing into your glans, is that irreparable damage?

‘Preciate any guidance here.

That's my million dollar question..unfortunately you won't get a clear cut answer...however, there are three conclusions(still vague) I got from extensive digging on forums...1) malleable getting wobbly is inevitable , however it could happen a few months after surgery, few years or sometimes a decade or 2...anyway it's almost always inevitable. 2) wobbliness doesn't necessarily mean it would compromise ability to penetrate and thrust...i remeber a guy had an extensive consultation with eid on this and eid told him after 20 years "it will be all over the place" ...meaning extra wobbly ,however that will not necessariy affect effectivness...it's just you will need to direct your penis with your hand...and again this could happen anytime post surgery...I saw cases after 4 years I've seen others after 7 when the penis had dropped(looking half erect but still rigid enough)..And you can check clavell video on yt where he changed a malleable of 27 years...the patient reported it was wobbly for a long time but during the last 7 years he wasn't able to penetrate at all (i can't tell whether this is due to material fatigue or the implant has turned extra wobbly) 3) inadequate sizing of the implant will expedite this process tremendously...it could be after a year or so....this is why big dicks can't install malleables or it would be unwise to do so ..as the largest malleable is 13mm (which fits most dicks by the way)...not because big dick will loose girth but because it will turn extra wobbly very quick..and this is also why "sparing of cavernosal tissue" is bullshit especially in mpp...biggest implant possible ensures best implant survival rate possible.

In general, average survivability rate of a malleable I believe is a solid 15 years if and only of done correctly and not undersized by 1 mm (it's a physics thing..more than a size perservance matter)..hakky said expect 15 years out of it....I've tried to get clear cut answers from top malleable implantologists and answers were too vague...atleast till now we know its' survival rate is better than ipps significantly...very significantly... but to what extent? This is malleable (pun intended )...

I think this is the biggest problem with the malleable and ipp's biggest problem is mechanical failure.

Now regarding the extrusion/erosion fixes....it's almost always possible...even full erosions are fixable...in prosthetic urology nowadays, problems are fixable but with greater risks with each fix.

Fantastic in-depth response. Really appreciate the insights, fella. You have clearly done your research.

Having a Rigicon I would think it would be the brand ..size of the rods .. each particular penis ..and the dr. as far as how long before a wobble and would the wobble be bad enough that it would be worth putting yourself through another surgery. And by the way 13mm is not the largest rod size I think there is a 14mm by one manufacturer and possibly a 15mm

So basically, it’ll get wobbly, but how much wobble is too much? Somewhere between "mild bendy straw" and "wet noodle" I guess.

Ray Johnson wrote:Fantastic in-depth response. Really appreciate the insights, fella. You have clearly done your research.

Glad you found it insightful! I appreciate the kind words.

portaofnoveria wrote:So basically, it’ll get wobbly, but how much wobble is too much? Somewhere between "mild bendy straw" and "wet noodle" I guess.

The wet noodle I believe is almost always associated with undersizing of the implant....that's always due to surgeon being too conservative or didn't dilate enough...it's a physics thing...it should be stretching tissues a little bit..imagine a tent pole that's not poking the tent right enough (length) and its' base got a free space around it (girth)...you will end up with a tent that doesn't look good..unstable and a little bit of wind will make it wobble...and as there'a undersizing there's oversizing too.

So incase of being sized correctly , getting to a mild bendy straw is almost always inevitable...some endure it after few months others after years of looking 90° or more as the natural...however, this doesn't affect functionality (thank god)...while getting to a wet noodle ,inspite of being sized correctly, is because your dick is above average in girth in the first place...and this usually takes time too...but if it's massive in girth or obviously above average by 2 folds don't risk mpp and go ahead with the ipp.

portaofnoveria wrote:So basically, it’ll get wobbly, but how much wobble is too much? Somewhere between "mild bendy straw" and "wet noodle" I guess.

What's too much wobbly that it would compromise functionality? I don't know but in conclusion it's rare when you combine perfect sizing with an average or below dick (in girth)...

I've heared a high volume malleable surgeon saying extra lengthy penis experience more buckling with mpp too..which makes sense because length is inversely proportional to axial rigidity..

I hope JH007 gives us feedback.

tooyoung wrote:
That's my million dollar question..unfortunately you won't get a clear cut answer...however, there are three conclusions(still vague) I got from extensive digging on forums...1) malleable getting wobbly is inevitable , however it could happen a few months after surgery, few years or sometimes a decade or 2...anyway it's almost always inevitable. 2) wobbliness doesn't necessarily mean it would compromise ability to penetrate and thrust...i remeber a guy had an extensive consultation with eid on this and eid told him after 20 years "it will be all over the place" ...meaning extra wobbly ,however that will not necessariy affect effectivness...it's just you will need to direct your penis with your hand...and again this could happen anytime post surgery...I saw cases after 4 years I've seen others after 7 when the penis had dropped(looking half erect but still rigid enough)..And you can check clavell video on yt where he changed a malleable of 27 years...the patient reported it was wobbly for a long time but during the last 7 years he wasn't able to penetrate at all (i can't tell whether this is due to material fatigue or the implant has turned extra wobbly) 3) inadequate sizing of the implant will expedite this process tremendously...it could be after a year or so....this is why big dicks can't install malleables or it would be unwise to do so ..as the largest malleable is 13mm (which fits most dicks by the way)...not because big dick will loose girth but because it will turn extra wobbly very quick..and this is also why "sparing of cavernosal tissue" is bullshit especially in mpp...biggest implant possible ensures best implant survival rate possible.

In general, average survivability rate of a malleable I believe is a solid 15 years if and only of done correctly and not undersized by 1 mm (it's a physics thing..more than a size perservance matter)..hakky said expect 15 years out of it....I've tried to get clear cut answers from top malleable implantologists and answers were too vague...atleast till now we know its' survival rate is better than ipps significantly...very significantly... but to what extent? This is malleable (pun intended )...

I think this is the biggest problem with the malleable and ipp's biggest problem is mechanical failure.

Now regarding the extrusion/erosion fixes....it's almost always possible...even full erosions are fixable...in prosthetic urology nowadays, problems are fixable but with greater risks with each fix.

Tooyoung you seems to have made lots of research. May i ask what have you gathered about the risks of urethral injuries with a malleable and if even those are usually fixable without urostomy?

Also I haven't understood why it shouldn’t be undersized?

tooyoung wrote:

Ray Johnson wrote:Guess it’s simple with the hydraulic ones: they just don’t inflate anymore, and you have to get it fixed ASAP.

With the malleable, how do you know it’s time for a revision? I heard something about ‘wobbling’ at the base? Also if the rods are pushing into your glans, is that irreparable damage?

‘Preciate any guidance here.

That's my million dollar question..unfortunately you won't get a clear cut answer...however, there are three conclusions(still vague) I got from extensive digging on forums...1) malleable getting wobbly is inevitable , however it could happen a few months after surgery, few years or sometimes a decade or 2...anyway it's almost always inevitable. 2) wobbliness doesn't necessarily mean it would compromise ability to penetrate and thrust...i remeber a guy had an extensive consultation with eid on this and eid told him after 20 years "it will be all over the place" ...meaning extra wobbly ,however that will not necessariy affect effectivness...it's just you will need to direct your penis with your hand...and again this could happen anytime post surgery...I saw cases after 4 years I've seen others after 7 when the penis had dropped(looking half erect but still rigid enough)..And you can check clavell video on yt where he changed a malleable of 27 years...the patient reported it was wobbly for a long time but during the last 7 years he wasn't able to penetrate at all (i can't tell whether this is due to material fatigue or the implant has turned extra wobbly) 3) inadequate sizing of the implant will expedite this process tremendously...it could be after a year or so....this is why big dicks can't install malleables or it would be unwise to do so ..as the largest malleable is 13mm (which fits most dicks by the way)...not because big dick will loose girth but because it will turn extra wobbly very quick..and this is also why "sparing of cavernosal tissue" is bullshit especially in mpp...biggest implant possible ensures best implant survival rate possible.

In general, average survivability rate of a malleable I believe is a solid 15 years if and only of done correctly and not undersized by 1 mm (it's a physics thing..more than a size perservance matter)..hakky said expect 15 years out of it....I've tried to get clear cut answers from top malleable implantologists and answers were too vague...atleast till now we know its' survival rate is better than ipps significantly...very significantly... but to what extent? This is malleable (pun intended )...

I think this is the biggest problem with the malleable and ipp's biggest problem is mechanical failure.

Now regarding the extrusion/erosion fixes....it's almost always possible...even full erosions are fixable...in prosthetic urology nowadays, problems are fixable but with greater risks with each fix.

tooyoung, any chance you have a link to the video where Clavell talks about the patient who had the malleable for 27 years? No worries if you can’t find it.

I really want a malleable because I want to avoid the IPP risks + I’m younger and would be paying out of pocket + want to reduce the # of potential revisions as much as possible. But the next phase in my research has been trying to understand the long-term implant strategy for us younger guys. I’d ideally like to be having sex for as long as possible after implantation, so have been trying to understand if implanting an MPP young puts us at any disadvantage on account of the wobble / tissue atrophy longer term.