Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

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hope794
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Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby hope794 » Tue Feb 09, 2021 9:51 pm

Long story short, i hear here many people who say that they rate a 10/10 their implant, while others say that "nothing beats a natural dick".

Now, excluding the need to pump, what are the differences who make the implant worse? And how do the differences (if any) impact on your sexuality and overall happiness?
26 yo from Italy.Peyronie's disease probably since 2015.Since then,penis bends of about 20-25°. PD keeps progressing. Moderate ED since 4 years and things getting worse.From pornstar-like to depressed, but still fighting for a solution.

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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby barrylandon » Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:40 am

hope794...A working, blood-filled natural penis is the best case scenario. An implant is the next, last and only option and it comes with both positives and negatives. An ED dick is worth shit. If you had a working natural penis (with or without injections, etc.) you wouldn't be on this site. So, what are you going to do?
Implanted 5/6/20 by Dr. Jesse Mills at UCLA; AMS 700 LGX 18 cm w/2 cm RTEs. I'm 76 & fit but had ED for 20 years. Pills/injections ultimately failed, including 3 ER trips for Priapism; Shockwave & embryonic stem cell therapies didn't help either.

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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby AST2123 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 9:19 am

I agree with you Barrylandon on the pills option. If I am able to have an erection that is enough for penetration with pills, I wouldn't go for an implant.
My experience with injections was horrible. Even when I used to have erection with Trimix, I need sometime to find the right dose for me. I don't want to remember those days when we are ready for sex, then the it doesn't happen because the dose wasn't enough or I injected the wrong spot. I can't describe how upset my wife and myself were, knowing that I can't have a second try before at least 48 hours.
So, I believe the implant beats the natural penis by the ability to use it anytime and as long as you can. And for our partners, it is a huge difference and way better for a woman to come to bed knowing that she will definitely get laid and reach her climax.
Finally Bionic
52y old. RP Oct. 2017. Pills didn't work. Trimix failed after a couple of times. Have inguinal hernia repair on both sides. Implanted AMS CX, 21 cm+1 cm RTE, by Dr. Kai Li at KP, VA, Jan. 2021. New username FinallyBionic

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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby Old Guy » Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:35 am

Since my implant my confidence has risen and my depression has disappeared. With the implant there is no interrupting the mood to go inject or wonder if that pill will work. Injections for me got painful once the dosage was bumped up, then sometimes there was no result. Yea I'd love to have my natural 30 year old dick back but that isn't going to happen. The implant feels pretty natural and even if I shoot off too fast I can still get the wife off a couple times.
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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby hope794 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:15 pm

Guys, i want to thank you all for your replies. I don't want to seem rude, but actually no one of you really answered my question, maybe except for the last guy (Old Guy) which explained a little bit his feelings.

Please, don't go off topic! (I repeat, i dont want to seem rude, i'm saying it with a smile on my face :D )

Cheers!

EDIT: I would like to apologize if anyone got offended from this comment, please remember about language barriers, i'm italian so maybe i didnt get properly the intentions of the guys who commented. But as i said, i appreciated the involvement! Thanks.
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26 yo from Italy.Peyronie's disease probably since 2015.Since then,penis bends of about 20-25°. PD keeps progressing. Moderate ED since 4 years and things getting worse.From pornstar-like to depressed, but still fighting for a solution.

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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby Lost Sheep » Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:55 pm

I will try to be more specific than the earlier posts (which you found to be inadequate) were, despite those responders' good intentions.

My natural erection came up by itself quicker (as I recall, which may be faulty because it was so long ago) than the 30-60 seconds it takes to pump up. This is convenient and also give my partner positive feedback that the erection "belongs" to HER and her alone. This is edifying to both of us.

My natural erection was rounder and fuller than my implanted erection. I don't know why the cross-sectional shape changed. I was disappointed about it at first, but it is now my "new normal" and am used to it now.

My sensations have had subtle changes. Fellatio used to be above coitus in the hierarchy of pleasures. Now, it is much lower. This may be because coitus in the past decades was so problematic and fellatio was so reliable and an easier path to orgasm or some nerve damage. I really don't know. But I accept this, too, as my new normal.

Shadowing the prior paragraph, sometimes I do not have orgasms. Before the implant my orgasms were always easy to have. This is not a problem for me (though it troubles my girlfriend who takes my ejaculations gleefully for a multitude of reasons of her own). I get orgasms often enough that I am satisfied to share in her orgasms, which my bionic erection seems to enable with 1005 reliability.

My implanted penis does have no limit as to how long it can stay erect and there is no refractory period to it after orgasm/ejaculation. That is an advantage over my natural penis. And since premature ejaculation was always a problem (P.E. in my youth and E.D. as I grew older gave me a "double whammy"), so in that way, my "bionic" erections are superior to my natural erections. My energy levels, though, do have a refractory period. So, even though my erection is a "go", my libido does fall off a cliff immediately after orgasm/ejaculation. But, as long as I can stay awake and have physical stamina to keep going, coitus can continue indefinitely. Now THERE is a significant positive difference.

If those observations miss the mark of your question, let me know. I will try again.
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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby hope794 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:44 pm

Lost Sheep wrote:I will try to be more specific than the earlier posts (which you found to be inadequate) were, despite those responders' good intentions.

My natural erection came up by itself quicker (as I recall, which may be faulty because it was so long ago) than the 30-60 seconds it takes to pump up. This is convenient and also give my partner positive feedback that the erection "belongs" to HER and her alone. This is edifying to both of us.

My natural erection was rounder and fuller than my implanted erection. I don't know why the cross-sectional shape changed. I was disappointed about it at first, but it is now my "new normal" and am used to it now.

My sensations have had subtle changes. Fellatio used to be above coitus in the hierarchy of pleasures. Now, it is much lower. This may be because coitus in the past decades was so problematic and fellatio was so reliable and an easier path to orgasm or some nerve damage. I really don't know. But I accept this, too, as my new normal.

Shadowing the prior paragraph, sometimes I do not have orgasms. Before the implant my orgasms were always easy to have. This is not a problem for me (though it troubles my girlfriend who takes my ejaculations gleefully for a multitude of reasons of her own). I get orgasms often enough that I am satisfied to share in her orgasms, which my bionic erection seems to enable with 1005 reliability.

My implanted penis does have no limit as to how long it can stay erect and there is no refractory period to it after orgasm/ejaculation. That is an advantage over my natural penis. And since premature ejaculation was always a problem (P.E. in my youth and E.D. as I grew older gave me a "double whammy"), so in that way, my "bionic" erections are superior to my natural erections. My energy levels, though, do have a refractory period. So, even though my erection is a "go", my libido does fall off a cliff immediately after orgasm/ejaculation. But, as long as I can stay awake and have physical stamina to keep going, coitus can continue indefinitely. Now THERE is a significant positive difference.

If those observations miss the mark of your question, let me know. I will try again.


Perfectly answered LS! Thanks. You said that it takes more time to ejaculate. Can i ask you why? Did you lose sensitivity with the implant?
26 yo from Italy.Peyronie's disease probably since 2015.Since then,penis bends of about 20-25°. PD keeps progressing. Moderate ED since 4 years and things getting worse.From pornstar-like to depressed, but still fighting for a solution.

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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby Lost Sheep » Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:51 pm

hope794 wrote:Thanks. You said that it takes more time to ejaculate. Can i ask you why? Did you lose sensitivity with the implant?

I cannot answer, as I do not know. My girlfriend has asked me exactly the same questions (because it distresses her when I do not orgasm) and I can't tell her, either.

It is what it is.

But I am happy as a clam because....I CAN FUCK!!!!! and give her orgasms! (Which I could not do with any sort of regularity to any woman between 1970 and 2018)


"Happy as a clam" Where did that come from? Who says clams are happy? I imagine that many an unfortunate sailor has spent his last seconds of life listening to the mirthless laughter of clams as he succumbed to the depths. (paraphrased from a source I cannot recall at the moment)
Lost Sheep
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Be part of your medical team
Document pre-op size-photos and written records
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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby KenJ1947 » Wed Feb 10, 2021 11:12 pm

Lost Sheep wrote:
hope794 wrote:Thanks. You said that it takes more time to ejaculate. Can i ask you why? Did you lose sensitivity with the implant?

I cannot answer, as I do not know. My girlfriend has asked me exactly the same questions (because it distresses her when I do not orgasm) and I can't tell her, either.

It is what it is.

But I am happy as a clam because....I CAN FUCK!!!!! and give her orgasms! (Which I could not do with any sort of regularity to any woman between 1970 and 2018)

"Happy as a clam" Where did that come from? Who says clams are happy? I imagine that many an unfortunate sailor has spent his last seconds of life listening to the mirthless laughter of clams as he succumbed to the depths. (paraphrased from a source I cannot recall at the moment)


That's it, hope794. I want my implant next week (probably won't happen till summer)! I want to be able to fuck morning, noon, night, middle of the night, whenever we can...which I haven't been able to do for over 5 years. That will make me as happy as the proverbial clam. I've learned to use my tongue and fingers to pleasure my wife, so the implant will be for both of us, especially me.
Married 50+ years, 75, ED for 10 years.

Dr Mark Allen, Plano, TX. Surgery at Baylor, Scott and White Frisco, TX. AMS 700 CX MS, 24 cm + 2 cm RTEs x 2.4 cm tubes, 100 ml reservoir.

4 grandkids (son 25, daughter 23, son 21, daughter 7).

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Re: Natural Vs bionic: whats the difference?

Postby merrix » Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:04 am

hope794 wrote:Long story short, i hear here many people who say that they rate a 10/10 their implant, while others say that "nothing beats a natural dick".

Now, excluding the need to pump, what are the differences who make the implant worse? And how do the differences (if any) impact on your sexuality and overall happiness?


Those two statements are not contradictory. I would say my implant is 10/10 and I would also say nothing beats a natural erection.
No sane person would get implanted if his dick worked the way it is supposed to.
But once your dick does NOT work, an implant is 10/10 from the options you have.

Comparing implant to pills?
I'd still say that if pills gave me a perfect, reliable erection, I'd prefer pills over implant. Simply because the erection is natural.
Of course, there is also no mechanical shit in your body that can break down and needed to be replaced.
Plus, for a partner, they will see nothing unusual. Just a normal dick. That is not really the case with an implant. At least not every time and not forever. (viewtopic.php?f=6&t=16307#p146492)

So what is the difference?
Well, you say except having to pump up. But don't ignore that. That is a huge difference.
The implant will be palpable. You can feel the cylinders, the tubing, the pump. Some will be better off than others, but all men with an implant can touch and feel those things. If he couldn't feel the pump, he couldn't pump it up, right?
And if the owner of the implant can feel them, so can other people if they are allowed to touch the right spots.
Is that a disadvantage? Of course. If I could, I wouldn't want to be able to touch some mechanical parts in my genitals. And I wouldn't like any woman to be able to do so either.
The feeling when having sex... It's only been five years, but that's how the mind works. The past fades and what you have gets the new normal. But I think ability to get a good blood flow to the glans is essential for the feeling.
If one can't, then the feeling will not be the same as a natural erection. And a lot of people end up in that situation. They get ED, get implanted and then thing the feeling is lesser than before. Well, yes it is. Two blood flow systems broke down. One was replaced with the implant. But the other one (the spongiosum/glans) was not fixed. So it's not comparing apples to apples.

But the bottom line here is that none of this really matters.
If your dick works well today, keep it. Forget the implant.
If your dick sucks today, then do something about it. If pills work well, use them.
If pills don't work well, consider injections or vacuum pumps. It you are ok with them and they work, use them.
If not, get implanted. And if you have reached this stage in the decision process map, then it actually doesn't matter how different the feeling is to a natural erection. Because you cannot get a natural erection anyway.
The implant will be your best option, and at that stage it is a great option.
43 yo, ED forever from VL
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Implanted December 2015
Titan XL 24 cm, no RTEs
Dr. Eid
Activated day 13
Sex after 3 weeks
Gained length and girth
So far It works perfectly
Only one advice: Find a world class surgeon


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