barrylandon wrote:Regarding swarmy, to me it's when you mix in derogatory personal comments with your topical points. Which is what you and MK both do and what you did to me in your responsive post.
Merrix, I agree with you that this discussion has gone far off topic. However, I found it interesting that while your newest response addresses redundancy, there's no defense presented regarding my mentioning that you and MK trade derogatory personal insults, and that you had just targeted me as well. Nothing I have posted should have resulted in a personal attack on me and I feel an apology should have been made.
To you, MK...I don't see why you would owe an apology to anyone since you don't insult anyone else on FT except for Merrix, of course!
Alright, I thought we were done, but when you come with those accusations I have to defend myself.
Where did I insult anybody, you or MK, in this thread?
I made it easy for you to answer that question.
Here is all I wrote, word by word, please point it out to me.
I read it as I pasted it in to this post, and if there is an insult in there, you and me are from different planets.
Where? Please tell me.
And where is the personal attack on you that deserves an apology?
First post:
"MK, with this quote from you in mind:
"Yes. It was confirmed crossover of my right RTE into left crus so left crus contained both RTE. At every visit with implant surgeon, I was complaining of pain in my perineum more to the left. Also my right cylinder had a big bulge on right side of penis on outer shaft. That was the place where right cylinder including RTE made sharp angle to crossover."
I don't really understand why you blame the Titan for your poor flaccid and palpable tubing.
I am sure there are some differences in the flaccid between AMS and Titan. But you are not really the best suited person to tell that difference.
You are though well entitled to tell the difference between a successful surgery and a fuck-up surgery.
As I have said many times, a perfectly installed Titan does not produce a shitty flaccid.
Your doc fucked up and hence you had poor results.
With such a crap installation, no implant type in the world would have been working well.
Not that it really matters to me, but I just can't help wondering why you keep bashing the implant type when apparently your doc fucked up.
Glad for you that you got better results second time around though."
Second post:
"I’m just curious why you refuse to use logic.
You bash the Titan because it gave you poor results.
But you ignore the fact your implant was horribly installed. Twisted
Do you really think your results mean anything whatsoever?
It means one thing: choose a good doc who does not screw up. But your results will not say anything about whether the implant model itself is good or bad.
I just don’t understand how you can argue with that.
Secondly, your mantra about Titan being useless if you are below 7” is proven wrong as well. My dick was 16.5 cm (6.5”) bone pressed before surgery. You have seen plenty of pictures proving my flaccid is perfect.
So my point is that you’re just wrong. Factually and logically wrong.
You will get my sympathy when you start using fact based argumentation. And when you stop scaring people away from one of the brands with faulty logic, using your doc’s fuckup as a way to blame the implant itself.
And I will continue to point out factual errors when I see them. Including yours.
That’s nothing personal. I don’t know you, have never met you, will never meet you and don’t care any more or less about you than all other 7 billion people on this planet whom I have no relation to."
Third post:
"I am not in to any “my dick is bigger than yours” discourse.
And what furthers the FT cause is differently defined by different people. There is a whole thread about a T-shirt which I personally think does shit for the FT cause. But I don’t complain about that since apparently some people like it.
We’re all different and want different things from this site.
I, and many others, care about facts and correct information. And since I care for that, I react when I read the opposite.
Finally, why so afraid of an argumentative discussion? That’s what creates progress everywhere. We’re all adults here and we’re all capable to hear someone say they think we’re wrong.
No big deal expressing different points."
Fourth post:
"Well, apparently I look at things quite differently than you. Which is great, how boring wouldn't this world be if we all lived in some dull, pulp-like symbiosis of great common understanding. Not to mention the lack of progress in all areas.
You see, my view is: What's the point of finding the points we agree on?
How does that in any way create progress, new understanding, new knowledge? How does that create an interesting discussion which people can follow, take in the arguments, add one and one together and learn something?
It doesn't.
Debate, expressing different opinions, trying to poke holes in theories and statements with good, sound arguments is what drives the world (and FT in my opinion) forward.
Why is everyone around here so afraid of people expressing different views and having a debate?
I will never get that.
And thanks for your suggestion, but no thanks. Sorry, but I have my way.
I am for sure argumentative. Probably even what some people would call combative. Not nearly as much on FT as I am in real life though..!
That's just me. I don't look the other way when I see things I think are wrong. I always react, speak up, try to make a difference, argue for what I think is right.
I would probably live an easier, more friction-less life if I adopted some of your more tolerant attitude. But I can't... And I have no complaints or regrets. My style has done well for me so far in my life. I am sure I have developed some enemies as a result of my way, but for sure, I have developed many great friends as well, and I believe I make a difference in whatever area I choose to fight my battles.
I would say I have at FT as well. There are for sure some people who don't like my style. But looking at members' contribution to this site, I am convinced few can match mine. So of I ruffle a few feathers on my way and some people don't like my style - I happily take that side effect of trying to make a difference.
I believe that the only way, or at least my way, of making a difference and creating success for myself in life, is to stand up and never accept BS. I always call it when I see it, hear it or read it.
That attitude is nothing I leave behind when I log on to FT and enter "merrix mode".
I am still me, and I have my way.
But my bottom line is still, why do people here have such a hard time accepting a discussion, an argument, a debate. People arguing for different points of view?
Why are you all so scared of discussions and arguments?
I will never get it.
Take care!"
Fifth post:
"Well, Barry and Lost, that was actually not fair argumentation, since you were playing around with my words to start with.
I never said a combative approach moves things forward. I said that "expressing different opinions, trying to poke holes in theories and statements with good, sound arguments is what drives the world (and FT in my opinion) forward".
Secondly, another way to look at things is that perhaps it is your comments that are redundant and swarmy.
Because all you do in this case is complaining. You don't discuss any topic, anything related to implants.
Me and MK do after all have a discussion, argumentation or whatever, about implants.
About whether poor results with a failed installation can be blamed on the implant model itself.
About whether a certain implant is useless for anyone without a dinousaur sized dick.
No matter whether you like that discussion or not, it is still relevant since this site is about implants.
All you do is complain about the way people choose to use FT, how they choose to try to contribute.
You focus on the "how" instead of the "what" people say.
Is that any more constructive?
Any less redundant?
I may be arguing, but I am arguing about facts.
You are arguing about people's way of expressing themselves.
If I wanted to do that, holy crap, I could spend hundreds of pages doing so.
But I don't.
Because I respect people's different ways, different needs from this site.
I focus on what people say. Not how or why. That's up to each individual here.
You are attacking (or questioning) me and my approach (and maybe MK and his approach).
While I question MK's statements and the logic (or lack of it) in his words, his posts.
As I said above, there are several posts and threads which I think are completely junk here.
But I don't complain on what people want out of this site.
I just accept there are different preferences in that area.
I am trying to point out faulty logic and avoiding false information to be spread here.
You take on the role of dictating what is redundant and swarmy - and what is not.
I would say the latter is less productive than the former.
So what says your judgement of what is and what isn't redundant has any relevance whatsoever?
What you find redundant might be relevant to others. What you find relevant might be redundant to others.
Who are you to judge?
So let people discuss whatever they want.
There is a huge difference between shooting down someone's factual content and someone's preferences of what to discuss,
Who are you to decide when two members' discussion is redundant and swarmy?
Apparently we don't think so since we keep it going.
I don't point out every post from you that I think is redundant.
There are, to be fair, several other topics on this board that are way more redundant than whether poor results with a faulty installation can be related to the implant brand.
Think twice about your own approach before slamming someone else's.
Stones in glass houses."
Sixth post:
"OK, my mistake, or poor way of expressing myself.
Of course you can think whatever post you want is redundant.
What I mean is, why say a post is redundant?
As long as it is about implants and somebody wants to discuss it, I'd say by definition is NOT redundant.
This discussion though, not being about implants, is actually starting to become redundant."
Seventh post:
"Aah, come on MK. Don’t be so sensitive.
Just answer this highly relevant question instead.
Do you think there is a fair chance your outcome and Titan experience would have been different if your doc didn’t fuck up? Or do you think his fuck-up cylinder twisting had nothing to do with your poor outcome?
But on another note, I sort of agree about getting off this forum. It is a questionable place to be once you got an implant that works. We got implanted to forget being reminded of our ED and our abnormal dicks. But here we constantly do."
