Durability study with 2,384 first implants

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brasileiro
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Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby brasileiro » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:14 pm

I am 28 years old and I will have the implant with Eid next year. In most of the studies I see, revision-free durability is 70% in 10 years and 60% in 15 years. Look at this study: https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... wo_Decades
According to this study of 2,384 first implants, 68.5% lasted 10 years and 59.7% lasted 15 years without any revision! However, as I follow the forum, I realize that the durability has been much less. Do you think it's my impression or do the studies not tell the truth? Obviously my question does not have an exact answer.
Leave your opinion here, according to your perception today, how long do you think a prosthesis will last without needing to move anything, free of revisions? Thanks!

Gt1956
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Re: How many years of durability, on average, in the opinion of the majority?

Postby Gt1956 » Sun Dec 13, 2020 10:22 pm

Most men that don't have a problem. Don't search the internet for a forum to dicuss their problem. In other words. What you are seeing is dominated by guys that have needed revisions early. Also, some guys only need a pump replaced. Are they to be called a failed implant?
Don't be quick to assume that the ratios that you see here represent the implanted population at large.
68yo, HBP at 40, high triglycerides at 45. Phimosis at 57. Type 2 at 60. Dr. William Brant May 1, 2023 CX 21cm w/no rte's penoscrotal 6" girth @ 6 months

irishguy
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Re: Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby irishguy » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:46 am

Gt is right!! Most are on here because of first implant or Very early revision or part breakdown!! I wouldn’t go statistically by this site

And to answer your question I am currently afew months away from 9 years and I can tell you I have absolutely over used it :-)
Age 34 Implanted with a 20cm Titan, Mar 19 2013, By Doctor David Ralph in London England,
8 years with implant and after a rocky start I’m very happy with the implant

wolfcreek
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Re: Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby wolfcreek » Mon Dec 14, 2020 4:58 am

Look at who funded the study (if you can find out). May be biased toward the manufacturers.....

wolfcreek
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Re: Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby wolfcreek » Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:03 am

My first one wore out after just 4.5 years. Now the replacement has stopped working after just 2 years (sticky valve). Of course I am upset (and about $30,000 out of pocket), not to mention the pain, trauma, PTSD, disappointment, fear of the unknown, etc. which naturally comes from all of that. Who wouldn't be??

But if it had all gone as I had been told it should have gone, well then I would be on here singing the praises of the device (not being silent as the posters just above me have stated).

dg_moore
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Re: Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby dg_moore » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:57 am

My first (and last) implant gave out after 12 years, during which it was inflated only a handful of times and never used once for sex.
Dave, 80, Maryland - Implant (Titan) 2008 by Dr. Andrew Kramer (failed Sept 2020) - never used due to a stroke that, among other things, ended my sex life.
Life is not the way it's supposed to be, it's the way it is.

SW0110
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Re: Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby SW0110 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:35 am

I think the last estimates I saw where about 25,000 implants are installed each year in the US with about 70 percent of that share to ams.

A lot of the posts here deal with issues. I think that durability is a lot better than what someone might determine from reading the stories here. If everything is great you do not have to search for help with issues.
18 cm plus 1 rte titan installed March 2019. Revision March 2020 by Dr. Andrew Todd, Richmond KY. He replaced the titan with an AMS 700 LGX 18 cm cylinder plus 2 rte for 20 cm total length.

BmorePaul
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Re: Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby BmorePaul » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:06 pm

Selection bias. Those with implant failures may be more likely to post here and those without issue not, so perception is skewed.
47 with ED for years. Viagra/Cialis no change. Trimix worked, but painful erections and inconvenient. AMS 700 implant CX, 21 cm + 1.5 cm RTE, 10/22/2019, Andrew Kramer

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sweaterfan
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Re: Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby sweaterfan » Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:24 pm

It is disconcerting that some patients must endure multiple revisions over the course of just a few years, and sometimes only months, to replace failing components. I can't bring myself to believe that it's the person's anatomy or sheer bad luck causing him to be implanted with a faulty device more than once (the exception being the massive AMS recall). Perhaps the older models were more robust. That's certainly true of washing machines :).

I don't know the failure rate or durability of other prosthetic devices, like hips, legs and knees. They certainly get more use and sustain greater stress than penile implants.
Born 1956, TRT, Peyronies (no improvement after 1 cycle of Xiaflex so discontinued), using alprostadil but have possible VL. Considering an implant. Aquablation for BPH Nov 2 2020, TURP 6/14/2021.

whymenow
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Re: Durability study with 2,384 first implants

Postby whymenow » Tue Dec 15, 2020 6:04 pm

Well, if the durability rate is kind of low and some of you experienced problems after 2,5 years even, wouldn't it be better to get a malleable implant versus the inflatable one?


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