AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

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hope794
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AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby hope794 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:47 am

Hello. I've got a question for AMS 700 LGX users.

BS claims that it can expand up to 20-25%. Is it a myth or a truth?

To be honest, it seems like an "exageration" to me: maybe it can expand up to 5-10%, but not more.. If this was real, wouldn't anyone solve their lenght/girth issues?

I mean, let's consider a guy with a 18cm penile lenght and 14cm girth in erection. If you implant him with a cilinder which is 15cm long and 11cm wide, he will basically get to his measurements if it expands up to 20%, and if it expands until 25% he can even get bigger!

Seems too good to be true. So, AMS700 LGX users: is this for real? Tell me your experiences, i'm really curious! Thanks!!! :D :D :D :D

EDIT: Sorry for my not-so-perfect english, i'm from Italy :P
26 yo from Italy.Peyronie's disease probably since 2015.Since then,penis bends of about 20-25°. PD keeps progressing. Moderate ED since 4 years and things getting worse.From pornstar-like to depressed, but still fighting for a solution.

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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby jeb6294 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:25 pm

I asked my Uro about this at my appointment a couple weeks ago. If I understood right, it seems like this is intended more for guys who are "growers". Sounded like he was saying it's more to help keep the flacid size down but allow for increased length/girth when pumped up, not for increasing overall size.
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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby Lost Sheep » Thu Oct 22, 2020 2:41 pm

hope794 wrote:Hello. I've got a question for AMS 700 LGX users.

BS claims that it can expand up to 20-25%. Is it a myth or a truth?

To be honest, it seems like an "exageration" to me: maybe it can expand up to 5-10%, but not more.. If this was real, wouldn't anyone solve their lenght/girth issues?

I mean, let's consider a guy with a 18cm penile lenght and 14cm girth in erection. If you implant him with a cilinder which is 15cm long and 11cm wide, he will basically get to his measurements if it expands up to 20%, and if it expands until 25% he can even get bigger!

Seems too good to be true. So, AMS700 LGX users: is this for real? Tell me your experiences, i'm really curious! Thanks!!! :D :D :D :D

EDIT: Sorry for my not-so-perfect english, i'm from Italy :P

Your English grammar is nearly perfect. Better than most native speakers/writers. I won't make note of your spelling. :P It is OK, though, you are perfectly clear and understandable.

There is much confusion over the expansion of the LGX. The expansion refers to the difference between flaccid and erect (as noted by jeb6294). The LGX is not intended to lengthen the penis between the date of implant and some years later. That type of lengthening is not the purpose of the design. AMS' advertising slogan, "Soft for the locker room, hard for the bedroom" is meant to emphasize that the LGX's virtue is that it allows a man's penis to be unobtrusive when not inflated and in full glorious erection when inflated.

Another point I will make is that the expansion is not over the entire implant, but only on the inflatable part. The proximal (rear end) and distal (in your glans) portions are hard plastic and do not change shape, size or rigidity. (This applies to all inflatable implants, Coloplast or the AMS CX.) Nor does (I think, but cannot be absolutely sure) the AMS expand in girth. As I understand it, the fact the LGX does not expand in girth forces the lengthening. The LGX is made of (medical silicone-coated) polyester cloth (Trade name, Dacron) and the weave of the LGX allows the lengthening. The weave of the CX is a bit more durable, but does not allow lengthening.
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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby newbie443 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:19 pm

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5654325/

This is a report that has some information on the subject. It does show in table 1 that the 21cm LGX did expand to 24cm and 24.9 at 20 psi vs. the 22cm Titan at 22.7 and 22.8 for the 2 models of each that were tested. From what I remeber is that the expansion will only happen if there is room to do so. They do not have a 0 psi number for girth and start with 10psi. The 21cm LGX cylinders are 1.6 and the 22cm Titan's are 1.7 and 1.8. At 20 PSI the 21cm LGX's are 1.7 and 1.8 with the 22cm Titan's at 1.8 and 1.9. Worth noting is that the 18cm Titan had the largest girth at 20psi with 2.2. The 18cm LGX mirrored the 21cm LGX in girth. Could be a reason for a doctor to use a 18cm Titan and RTE's instead of a 22cm for men with larger girth. But I am no doctor so that is just something that popped into my brain.

Again I am no doctor so others may have a lot more information and understanding of the results.

Good luck and I hope this helps in some way.
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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby 544kenmatt » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:33 pm

In my anecdotal experience, my immediate post-op length and girth were very disappointing. I am now at 1 year post-installation and can say that my length has increased over the year to my pre-op trimix size. Girth is pretty much the same.

I'm not into measuring, but at full inflation, it could be argued that my length might be slightly better. At this inflation, however, I do lose quite a bit of sensitivity. This was also true with trimix.

Interesting that i still get morning "wood" and I am able to get a decent masturbating erection without pumping at all. I am NOT post prostatectomy, which I guess can make a difference.
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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby Waynetho » Thu Oct 22, 2020 5:11 pm

544kenmatt wrote:Interesting that i still get morning "wood" and I am able to get a decent masturbating erection without pumping at all. I am NOT post prostatectomy, which I guess can make a difference.

Ditto, and my doctor said that's absolutely *NOT* possible because he "TOTALLY DESTROYED MY ERECTILE TISSUES".
62yo, married 41 yrs. Urolift (x4) 8/12/19. AMS 700CX 15cm (no RTE) penoscrotal 10/28/19, Frisco, TX. PD 1995/ED 2011. Cialis helped but hinged. (1995)L:6/G:5.5+, (2019)Pre-op L:5/G:4.5, (2/2020)L:6.0/G:5.0

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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby WhiteCane » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:52 am

There’s a report out there. I believe it’s called “implementation of penile implants as a tissue expander“ or something like that. The basic rundown says there isn’t a significant difference in how much one will help the penis regain length over the other. I think the Titan was .9 cm after six months and the LG ex was only a little bit more than that but, clinically insignificant. anyway, check that out. I don’t want to spread any fake information but, it definitely helped ease my mind about what’s average as far as size, size regained, and all of that other fun stuff. it gave me realistic expectations. Be well!
Implanted October 2019 Dr. Kramer lgx 18 cm +2 rear tips. Preop at 6.75 post op 5.25... awaiting revision… Implanted for possibility of having our first child.

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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby hope794 » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:39 am

Guys, words can't describe well enough how grateful i am for your replies to my questions.

Unfortunately, probably because of language barriers, i was not able to understand the actual answer to my question.

I am a grower, not a shower, so my penis is really "small" while in flaccid state. Even if you stretch it to the fullest, i don't reach my real measurements while in erection. I reach probably 14.5 cm (not bone pressed erect lenght) , but my real measurements are about 16cm not bone pressed erect lenght now that i have Peyronie's and, before Peyronies, they were 17.5/18cm not bone pressed erect lenght. So i would like to know if my flaccid penis WITH an implant is like 15cm, will i be able to reach, with time and cycles, my old 17-18cm lenght?

Thank you :D
26 yo from Italy.Peyronie's disease probably since 2015.Since then,penis bends of about 20-25°. PD keeps progressing. Moderate ED since 4 years and things getting worse.From pornstar-like to depressed, but still fighting for a solution.

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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby Lost Sheep » Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:56 am

hope794 wrote:Guys, words can't describe well enough how grateful i am for your replies to my questions.

Unfortunately, probably because of language barriers, i was not able to understand the actual answer to my question.

I am a grower, not a shower, so my penis is really "small" while in flaccid state. Even if you stretch it to the fullest, i don't reach my real measurements while in erection. I reach probably 14.5 cm (not bone pressed erect lenght) , but my real measurements are about 16cm not bone pressed erect lenght now that i have Peyronie's and, before Peyronies, they were 17.5/18cm not bone pressed erect lenght. So i would like to know if my flaccid penis WITH an implant is like 15cm, will i be able to reach, with time and cycles, my old 17-18cm lenght?

Thank you :D

If you did not have the complication of Peyronie's Disease, the answer would be, "yes". You will retain most, if not all of your (erect) size that you had (if you could get an erection) the day before the operation".

This depends on having a GOOD surgeon.

The scar tissues caused by Peyronie's can complicate matters and could shorten you. A VERY good surgeon can mitigate that effect. So, choose your surgeon carefully.
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AMS LGX 18+3 Nov 6, 2017
Prostate Cancer 2023
READ OLD THREADS-ask better questions -better understand answers
Be part of your medical team
Document pre-op size-photos and written records
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Re: AMS 700 LGX's 20% expansion : Myth or truth?

Postby ccrider » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:23 pm

hope794 wrote:Hello. I've got a question for AMS 700 LGX users.

BS claims that it can expand up to 20-25%. Is it a myth or a truth?

To be honest, it seems like an "exageration" to me: maybe it can expand up to 5-10%, but not more.. If this was real, wouldn't anyone solve their lenght/girth issues?

I mean, let's consider a guy with a 18cm penile lenght and 14cm girth in erection. If you implant him with a cilinder which is 15cm long and 11cm wide, he will basically get to his measurements if it expands up to 20%, and if it expands until 25% he can even get bigger!

Seems too good to be true. So, AMS700 LGX users: is this for real? Tell me your experiences, i'm really curious! Thanks!!! :D :D :D :D

EDIT: Sorry for my not-so-perfect english, i'm from Italy :P


I have the LGX. Went from 5.5 inches stretched when flaccid to 6.5 inches when pumped after a couple of months w/ regular cycling. Worked as advertised for me!
...69 years old, married over 30 years, serious ED for around 10 years. AMS 700 LGX 21 cm +3 cm RTE implanted by Dr. Andrew Kramer on Dec 7, 2016.


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