Waynetho wrote:Note that not all doctors will induce an erection via injection of saline or other liquids during the surgery. Some will simply do the stretch test. My surgical notes from my doctor say nothing about inducing an artificial erection. You can find my surgical notes on the following thread:
https://www.franktalk.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=14301
True. In my opinion, the production of an erection pre-op is not particularly useful to the doctor except in making sure the patient's expectations are realistic.
Many men are dissatisfied with their post-op size not because their erections are are smaller than what they had pre-op, but because they are smaller that what the men REMEMBER (or imagine they remember) from pre-E.D.
I read a couple of medical journal papers discussing this phenomenon (dissatisfaction due to dis-remembering - I do love my alliterations)
Documenting the actual pre-op EXTERNAL size of the erection is useful in that way.
Actually measuring the INTERNAL size of the (best) potential erection by vigorously measuring the cavern inside the tunica albuginea is the only proper determining factor. I read in Waynetho's surgical notes that
That would be the measurement by a Dilamezinsert or similar measuring toolI measured both sides and they both measured 15 cm.
I infer that the "test direction" was the full inflation of the implant. The notes continue:a small round 65 mL reservoir had been prepared. I dissected into the left groin, perforated the medial aspect of the inguinal ring, and placed that reservoir into the retropubic space and filled it with 65 mL of sterile normal saline. Once that was done, the cylinders were ready. I placed the cylinders with the aid of a Furlow needle passer. ...(edited for focus and brevity) I then closed both corpora with running 2-0 Vicryl sutures. A test direction was performed.
There was a good rigid erection with no buckling of the cylinders. There were cylinders out to the tip of the penis with a very nice result, with minimal dorsal curvature. At that point, we deflated the cylinders. I made a quick connect between the reservoir and the pump. The pump had been placed into a scrotal pouch in the midline scrotum with the aid of a nasal speculum to make the pouch. Once the connection was made with quick connects, the device was cycled and left 80% rigid.
Clearly, the "I measured both sides and they both measured 15 cm" indicates the measurement was done in the corpus cavernosum/tunica albuginea internally. Watch any of Dr. Kramer's videos to see this actually done. They are very graphic. I have not seen Dr. Eid's videos.