Why do they call it a 3 piece

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Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby Crtrader » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:27 am

I wasn’t a math major but: 1 pump+ 1 reservoir + 2 cylinders +tubes = 5 piece. Plus saline solution = 6 piece. Let’s start calling it what it is.

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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby Waynetho » Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:46 am

Because it's three distinct parts. Tubes are *part* of the component and are not separate. There is the reservoir, a pump and the cylinders (identical part, times two). Some men have been implanted with only one cylinder in the event of severe corporal fibrosis with only one viable corpus. It's not ideal but there has been at least one paper written on the subject on what a surgeon should do if it's impossible to get a cylinder into a scarred corpus: put the one cylinder in if possible then seal off the unused tube on the pump.
62yo, married 41 yrs. Urolift (x4) 8/12/19. AMS 700CX 15cm (no RTE) penoscrotal 10/28/19, Frisco, TX. PD 1995/ED 2011. Cialis helped but hinged. (1995)L:6/G:5.5+, (2019)Pre-op L:5/G:4.5, (2/2020)L:6.0/G:5.0

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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby Crtrader » Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:14 am

There are 5 separate parts that can fail- tubes are one of them. My theory on why they call it a 3 piece when it’s really 5 pieces plus saline solution, is that they want it to sound simpler.

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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby Waynetho » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:08 pm

That's one opinion. Perhaps an open letter to both BS and Coloplast will get them to change their marketing as 3-piece... Naah, doubt that.

Do you buy two pieces of socks (one for each foot) or a pair of socks (a unit)? The cylinders are a single unit in the equation and they come in pairs. The tubes are part of the cylinders *AND* the pump *AND* the reservoir so you could use the following logic:

PUMP +1
Pump tubing +3
L Cyl +1
L Cyl tubing +1
R Cyl +1
R Cyl tubing +1
Reservoir +1
Reservoir tubing +1
------------------------
Total parts: 10

Oh, let's not forget that all three pump tubes have to be connected to the other tubes so there are three more pieces needed for the equation: Quick Connects +3

Grand total 13 pieces... Yes the quick connect can fail and cause a leak to occur, requiring a revision due to no saline in the implant.

Of course if it's a self-contained penoscrotal unit, then you only have a pump, three tubes, reservoir and two cylinders, equalling seven (not five).
Last edited by Waynetho on Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:22 pm, edited 1 time in total.
62yo, married 41 yrs. Urolift (x4) 8/12/19. AMS 700CX 15cm (no RTE) penoscrotal 10/28/19, Frisco, TX. PD 1995/ED 2011. Cialis helped but hinged. (1995)L:6/G:5.5+, (2019)Pre-op L:5/G:4.5, (2/2020)L:6.0/G:5.0

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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby dg_moore » Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:20 pm

Waynetho wrote:That's one opinion. Perhaps an open letter to both BS and Coloplast will get them to change their marketing as 3-piece... Naah, doubt that.

Do you buy two pieces of socks (one for each foot) or a pair of socks (a unit)? The cylinders are a single unit in the equation and they come in pairs. The tubes are part of the cylinders *AND* the pump *AND* the reservoir so you could use the following logic:

PUMP +1
Pump tubing +3
L Cyl +1
L Cyl tubing +1
R Cyl +1
R Cyl tubing +1
Reservoir +1
Reservoir tubing +1
------------------------
Total parts: 10


Socks and shoes are virtually always on special sale - buy one, get one free.
Dave, 80, Maryland - Implant (Titan) 2008 by Dr. Andrew Kramer (failed Sept 2020) - never used due to a stroke that, among other things, ended my sex life.
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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby Crtrader » Sun Feb 02, 2020 1:49 pm

That’s why I like the malleable - it’s 2 pieces- that’s it. Nothing to break or fail.

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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby David_R » Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:51 pm

dg_moore wrote:Socks and shoes are virtually always on special sale - buy one, get one free.

:lol:
I can't wait to share this!

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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby Gt1956 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 4:20 pm

I suspect the real answer is because some of them come pre assembled. When the package is opened there is 3 assemblies. I don't see the logic. Why not count every section of tubing, splices & ferrels individually? Hey, let's try counting all the bits in the pump.
I hardly see the issue with the name. The manufacturers have named them so why the debate? English language is full of quirks. Why are pants called a "pair"? The name should be legs so you would buy a pair.
Is this an attempt to prove some superiority in 1 piece implants? Btw, there is two of them.
The 1 piece implants have a place in the market place. They serve that section well. My father in law had one 30 years ago. They have a major down side that the section of the market is willing to live with. I.e., hard 24/7/365. My fil's was designed to hinge so that it could be stowed comfortably. To some people that have been without a reliable erection for years, maybe their whole life. 24/7/365 sounds perfect......until they live it.
My discussion with Dr. Karpman was tempered with a good piece of advice. Be cautious of the implant forum. People are quick to complain. The forum can at times be loaded with men with problems. Litteraly several thousand are implanted per month. Most men are happy with the 3 piece style. They go home, recover & have fairly happy lives.
Sorry guys. Kind of an off topic rant. Point is, the companies know what their doing. If you fit within the section of the men that the one piece implants are designed for. Your surgeon should steer you in that direction. That is his job, I hope that he does his job.
68yo, HBP at 40, high triglycerides at 45. Phimosis at 57. Type 2 at 60. Dr. William Brant May 1, 2023 CX 21cm w/no rte's penoscrotal 6" girth @ 6 months

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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby SW0110 » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:36 pm

Seriously. Pump, tubes, cylinders. 3 parts. Does not matter how many actual pieces are comprised of each.

If you want to get specific. The pump has a deflate button, valves, body, etc.

I mean really.
18 cm plus 1 rte titan installed March 2019. Revision March 2020 by Dr. Andrew Todd, Richmond KY. He replaced the titan with an AMS 700 LGX 18 cm cylinder plus 2 rte for 20 cm total length.

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Re: Why do they call it a 3 piece

Postby Waynetho » Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:46 pm

Actually, PUMP/TUBES/CYLINDERS is the 2-piece with self-contained saline in the pump. The tubes are part of the other components. The 3-piece is more like PUMP/RESERVOIR/CYLINDERS.
62yo, married 41 yrs. Urolift (x4) 8/12/19. AMS 700CX 15cm (no RTE) penoscrotal 10/28/19, Frisco, TX. PD 1995/ED 2011. Cialis helped but hinged. (1995)L:6/G:5.5+, (2019)Pre-op L:5/G:4.5, (2/2020)L:6.0/G:5.0


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