What if I am oversized?

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Gt1956
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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby Gt1956 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:33 pm

warrenw wrote:
oneperson wrote:And then, if I am really oversized, what is the solution?


You could ask about imaging of your pelvic area, ultrasound, or CT scan, or MRI. That might show in detail how the implant is fitting in your body and might show the cylinder folds if you were oversized. Imaging is non-invasive and relatively inexpensive, maybe something to ask your surgeon about.

I kind of dislike throwing guesses around about someone else's problem. But I'll step up & throw out an idea. Op (oneperson) has stated that the implant tips can be felt in his glans area. I wonder if the bottom of his implant is truly seated to the bottom of his crus. It just seems like for him to be oversized by the amount that is being discussed. His doctor would of had to of made a huge measurement error.
Can anybody with an implant feel or judge how far the bottom end of the implant goes in their body?
68yo, HBP at 40, high triglycerides at 45. Phimosis at 57. Type 2 at 60. Dr. William Brant May 1, 2023 CX 21cm w/no rte's penoscrotal 6" girth @ 6 months

Toronto67
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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby Toronto67 » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:13 pm

This forum is a great source of support and sharing of users experiences; however, is your doctor the only one who can actually tell you if he implanted an oversized prothesis or not. My advice is to take things easy until the 18th, explain the situation in detail to your doctor, hopefully he can ease your mind, explain what he did and set realistic expectations.

If you do not just do not trust your doctor anymore then start the search for a new one that you can trust, trust is key on this process.

Good luck!!
Born 1967, diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2016, prostatectomy performed in 2018, current PSA 0.10, implanted with LGX 700 on Jul 2019.

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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby merrix » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:16 pm

oneperson wrote:It seems very clear that the chances of oversize are very big. And this makes me think about one thing: what can make a 25 years of experience surgeon, with hundreds and even thousands of succeded implants in his career, take the decision of put a so big implant? What did he saw in the OR to take that decision? Didn't he saw in the OR that that implant was very big? The RTE thing is even more confuse. Not only put a 4 cm bigger than needed prothesis, but also add another cm with an RTE?

It is very very strange. That kind of mistake is not normal even in a rocky surgeon. Such evident oversizing is too much even for a rocky. A very experienced one, I think can make a mistake oversizing one, maybe 2 cm. But 5? It sounds crazy.


Agree with you. Seems very strange and unlikely.
And normally in this world, the right answer is the most logical one.
So what is higher probability?
Your doc had a really shitty day in the office (maybe he didn't actually do the surgery? Medical student? Training doctor?).
or
Your crus is double the size of an average man and you require a 5 cm longer implant than average for your dick size?

I lean towards the first option, unless there is a third one.

As someone above said, maybe the implant doesn't go all the way back in your crus. '
Yeah... but then we are still saying that your crus is twice the length of a normal man. Still unlikely.

Another option of course is Dr. Eid is wrong, and doesn't know the length of a normal crus.
I would put that option at the botton of the top-probability list...

But as several have said now, so far no disaster. This can be fixed.
It sucks like shit, but fact is still that nothing seems broken, nothing seems damaged, and you can still get it fixed and get great results.
Stay focused on solving this, and you'll be fine.
43 yo, ED forever from VL
Fit and active
Implanted December 2015
Titan XL 24 cm, no RTEs
Dr. Eid
Activated day 13
Sex after 3 weeks
Gained length and girth
So far It works perfectly
Only one advice: Find a world class surgeon

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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby oneperson » Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:00 am

Thankyou guys, if this forum would not exist, it should be invented.

Merrix, again, thanks for your suggestions. Following the Occam's razor, you are right, almost always, the easiest explanation is the correct explanation.

If my implant doesn't fo all the way back in my crus, then, if I understand well what crus is, the situation would be even worse: lets say my crux is 8 cm, and the implant goes all the way back in it. That would be 8 cm inside the body, ant 13 outside for an streched flaccid penis of 10. 3 cm more than needed. if it is not all the way, lets say, 1 cm less than all the way, that would be 8 cm of my dimensions, plus 1 cm of empty space because the implant doesn't fall all the way back in my crus, 9 in total, so 14 out of the body. Is like that? One of my problems is I don't knw the actual penis anatomy in english words :-)

Medical student? Possible, but very few probable. First, when I was in the OR, during all time I was awake the only doctors I saw was the anesthesist and the one who supposedly done the surgery. When I woke up, I just saw him telling me everything had gone well. Even when he went to see me in the room, he told me that placement of implant was extremely easy. Furthermore, in my experience, when a doctor has an student, the student is in consultant with him. I have gone to consultant 8 times, and none of them there was an student there. And in the case an student had done the surgery, the master would be seeing him. How the hell did not saw such hugh oversizing? I think is impossible. It has to be another explanation.

The chance of Dr Eid to be mistaken is 0. The only thing to say about it is he has not seen me.

So I will wait till 18th. The second opinion is not a choice for me. In Spain, no assurance company nor national health care covers this. A second opinion, and if it is necessary another surgery, would cost another 15000 euros. I cannot afford another credit. If a second surgery is needed, it has to be done by the same doctor in order to be covered by the guarantee. If not, i should go in a judicial process that can last more than 5 years to be solved.

My doctor is considered one of the best (if not the best) in Spain. I am sure he can solve this. As I have said, I will wait till 18th (6 days is not much) with a conservative cycling protocol. And that day, i will talk seriously with him, telling him all my concerns, researching, Dr Eid's answer, and I will demand a solution. I will not accept anything abstract or some divagation, I will demand accurate responses.
Implanted September 12nd 2019. Coloplast Titan OTR 20 cm + 1 cm RTE. Dr Cruz (Spain). Liver transplanted. Born in 1967. ED since 24 in different degrees. Pills stopped working in March 2019. Injections caused much pain.

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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby Jasonsa » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:25 am

For what’s its worth, my Dr told me that he had to over sized me to straighten out the peyronies. My curve was so severe my dick would basically fold back on itself during intercourse/thrusting. I am only 4 weeks post op - at about 30% inflation I can jo by self or wife without pain. Pumping up more causes it to start hurting/aching - cleared to have intercourse 12/21 - will be interesting to see how the pain is. The pain I feel when cycling is the exact same pain I felt when I had my peyronies injury (popped out during sex and bent). With the oversizing - my dr said to pump up to 75% for intercouse and all should work well. I made it 20 minutes cycling to 75% yesterday. Because of peyronies tissue in top of shaft/below glands on left side, that cylinder does not extend into the head. I have pain where that tip ends when fully inflated. During peyronies pain, I found that taking L-Carnatine (amino acid supplement) helps the tissue heal faster and reduces penis pain - I’m still taking it. The dr said he wanted me to be happy with the size as I made a big deal about loosing length before surgery. I’m happy and making the assumption that the pain will eliminate after all has settled and stretched. The good news is I have never found and article where penile pain did not eventually go away, no matter what the injury. Wish you the best of luck, hope this is helpful.
56 years old. Botched Titan implant 21cm 11/13/19. San Antonio by Dr. Sammy Vick. ED 14 years/Peyronies. Revision by Laurence Levine Chicago January 2021.

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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby oneperson » Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:09 am

Thanks jasona. Your post bring me to another point.

Maybe the simple answer to this strange thing is composed by: first: I am above the average in crus dimensions. Lets say I have 8 cm inside my body. That leds to 13 outside.

One of my biggest worry when I talked to my doctor before surgery, was the fact I am not a 'big penis guy'. He made the strech test which, as I have said several times, gave 10 cm. But I also told him that I remember that when erected, I was 12-13 cm. Maybe he saw the same and put the implant 1 or 2 cm oversized to not allow much size loss and give the chance of recovering to those 12. The 1 cm aditional, has not to be reached just not pumping at max. Maybe that is the reason, Just an hypothesis.

A question comes to my mind. I am not able to say 'I am pumped at 75%' or 'I am at 80%'. I don't know where is my 100%.

I can pump without pain, but if I pump to the point before pain begin, The length is less than 10 cm (about 9) and used to have sex with 12, sex becomes very very difficult. Also, with that level, hardness is enough but rigidity not, making even more difficult to have sex. If I pump to 10 cm and enough rigidity, pain becomes unbearable in ten minutes.

I don't know, I really don't know. Let's see what doctor tells me on 18th, but I want to be able to have sex as soon as possible.
Implanted September 12nd 2019. Coloplast Titan OTR 20 cm + 1 cm RTE. Dr Cruz (Spain). Liver transplanted. Born in 1967. ED since 24 in different degrees. Pills stopped working in March 2019. Injections caused much pain.

Jasonsa
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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby Jasonsa » Thu Dec 12, 2019 6:36 pm

Hang there man! Your situation sucks terribly. The 18th will get here quickly and hopefully you will get some answers. I was able to pump 30 pumps today for an hour before the pain came. I think that pumping up each day to the max you can stand and then increase that time it's pumped up,each day. Cycling. I can't have sex yet either as my dr is insisting on me waiting 6 weeks. But my wife and I stil make love and we just can't fuck yet. It's still a good consolation prize;) I can cum. I feel your pain and glad you are getting support here.
56 years old. Botched Titan implant 21cm 11/13/19. San Antonio by Dr. Sammy Vick. ED 14 years/Peyronies. Revision by Laurence Levine Chicago January 2021.

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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby oldbeek » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:38 pm

You were still having erections prior to march 2019. What was your length with a blood filled erection? My cruse was 3 inch depend my penis is 6 inch and a 15 cm with 5 cm rte lgx 700 is perfect. I am total cruse to glans 9 inch now.
82, good health, RP 7-2017, all nerves taken , PSA 0.05, 4-18,, .07 1/19,.05 4/19, .03 11-21, .04 11-23, implanted 4-1-18, Infra-pubic, AMS lgx 15 cm with 5cm rte. Implant at USC Keck. Dr Boyd and Dr Loh Doyle 6.5 x 5, 800 AUS 7-21-20

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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby oneperson » Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:31 am

Yes until March I had erections with viagra. I never measured my erections recently but I have never noticed less size than when I was 25 or 30. And at that age I remember have measured and it was between 12 and 13 cm. Not a precise measure but for sure not less than 12 cm and not more than 13.
My pain is in the left. Tip of glans in the left part when pump to max. Left side of upper part of the shaft, a different kind of pain, more like if it were burning,, that appears a few moments after inflate and remains few moments after deflated. A very unpleasent sensation in left part of shaft during deflating, and not related to inflation or deflation, sometimes, specially when sit, a pain like the one when you have an hemathoma, in the crus (inside the body).
Implanted September 12nd 2019. Coloplast Titan OTR 20 cm + 1 cm RTE. Dr Cruz (Spain). Liver transplanted. Born in 1967. ED since 24 in different degrees. Pills stopped working in March 2019. Injections caused much pain.

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Re: What if I am oversized?

Postby Biker60 » Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:47 am

Jasonsa wrote:For what’s its worth, my Dr told me that he had to over sized me to straighten out the peyronies. My curve was so severe my dick would basically fold back on itself during intercourse/thrusting. I am only 4 weeks post op - at about 30% inflation I can jo by self or wife without pain. Pumping up more causes it to start hurting/aching - cleared to have intercourse 12/21 - will be interesting to see how the pain is. The pain I feel when cycling is the exact same pain I felt when I had my peyronies injury (popped out during sex and bent). With the oversizing - my dr said to pump up to 75% for intercouse and all should work well. I made it 20 minutes cycling to 75% yesterday. Because of peyronies tissue in top of shaft/below glands on left side, that cylinder does not extend into the head. I have pain where that tip ends when fully inflated. During peyronies pain, I found that taking L-Carnatine (amino acid supplement) helps the tissue heal faster and reduces penis pain - I’m still taking it. The dr said he wanted me to be happy with the size as I made a big deal about loosing length before surgery. I’m happy and making the assumption that the pain will eliminate after all has settled and stretched. The good news is I have never found and article where penile pain did not eventually go away, no matter what the injury. Wish you the best of luck, hope this is helpful.



I have the same issue 90 degree bend. So I am scheduled next month for a titan. Question, was any of the plaque removed durning your surgery? As for the Pd pain, the pain decreased greatly using verapamil gel. Then 8 xiaflex injections. That was painful as hell. Still 90 degrees. L-carnatine causes body Oder in large doses. Have you found that to be true? I did trental as well. Actually my Pd stabilized, but if it bend more it would. So ipp is the last resort. For what it is worth I lost 3” from Pd.


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