Famous missing TWO INCHES

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palace01
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Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby palace01 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:29 pm

- I have seen many people on here(including me) report that when they inflate to Max they have lost around 2 inches compared to before they had their Prostate Removed.
- I have also seen several people report they didn't lose anything
- I have also seen a lot of people saying that when Kramer or Eid etc. did a revision they regained their 2"
- However I have also seen quite a few that insist they lost the length as a result of the Prostate Surgery and do not expect to regain it.

Question is, without travelling all the way to see Kramer or Eid, is it possible to discover whether the loss is due to bad implant or bad prostate surgery???

For me my implant never exceeds 5" but pumped up in VED I easily reach my old 7+".
My implant surgeon insists he gave me the correct size.
Age 73
Apr-15-14. RP-Pills, Injections No help. VED(almost old size in tube).
Feb-12-16, Dr Cornell, AMS-CX "18+4" LOTS PROBLEMS!
Jul-6-16 Dr Khera ColoPlast "20+1" Very Unhappy with very short length/width but Dr insists correct

Lost Sheep
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Re: Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby Lost Sheep » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:29 pm

palace01 wrote:- I have seen many people on here(including me) report that when they inflate to Max they have lost around 2 inches compared to before they had their Prostate Removed.
- I have also seen several people report they didn't lose anything
- I have also seen a lot of people saying that when Kramer or Eid etc. did a revision they regained their 2"
- However I have also seen quite a few that insist they lost the length as a result of the Prostate Surgery and do not expect to regain it.

Question is, without travelling all the way to see Kramer or Eid, is it possible to discover whether the loss is due to bad implant or bad prostate surgery???

For me my implant never exceeds 5" but pumped up in VED I easily reach my old 7+".
My implant surgeon insists he gave me the correct size.

Two other reasons people report losing length.

1) Inaccurate memory. They are comparing what they are measuring (post-operations) to what they had from their youth (whether or not they ever actually measured)
2) Pubic fat pad can reduce the exposed and usable penile length. When I was skinny, they starting point for measuring did not have to contend with the belly fat I have presently.

I will further speculate:

Observation of my own experience with a V.E.D.: Pre-implant, I measured myself inside my VED and not inside the VED (with the best erection I could get with pills and stimulation - which was every bit as sizable as pre-E.D., but did not stay erect for long any more). About 3/4" to 1" extra length inside the VED. Partly due to extra expansion of the spongiosum tissues and partly due, I think, to simply sucking all my tissues forward by the vacuum. Forward, not actually longer.
Lost Sheep
AMS LGX 18+3 Nov 6, 2017
Prostate Cancer 2023
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Pre-op VED therapy helps. Post-op is another matter

palace01
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Re: Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby palace01 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 5:38 pm

Lost Sheep - Thanks for understandable extra reasons, however, ... I know for sure that my full erection is a lot shorter because,,,,

1) I am not circumcised but I can swear(guarantee) that right up to the day of my prostate surgery my natural erection(no pills or any other help) was such that the WHOLE Penile Glans (Head) ALWAYS appeared OUTSIDE of my fully expanded Foreskin.
Post Prostate and Implant Surgeries the top end of the Glans never comes anywhere near the end of the foreskin. In fact I always have some loose floppy foreskin beyond the Glans at full implant erection.
2) During exciting sex my penis will pop out several times but never did so previously...
3) My wife sadly agrees I am much shorter and has definitely lowered her interest..
Age 73
Apr-15-14. RP-Pills, Injections No help. VED(almost old size in tube).
Feb-12-16, Dr Cornell, AMS-CX "18+4" LOTS PROBLEMS!
Jul-6-16 Dr Khera ColoPlast "20+1" Very Unhappy with very short length/width but Dr insists correct

MK1965
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Re: Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby MK1965 » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:25 pm

Iwas shorter at least 1 inch right after RP and continued to lose lenght in RP aftermath. Definitely, I lost 2+ inches after RP, compared to lenght just days before surgery, not distant memory.
After implant, I regained 1 inch.
Still, shorter 1 inch but not because of implant.
My loss is totally side effect of RP.
MK
IPP 9/5/18; TITAN OTR 18 +1cm RTE,Prostate Ca at 51 y/o; RARP 11/2/16, ED Post RP, Cialis, Viagra, VED,TRIMIX painful, BIMIX ineffective,lost 2+ inches of length after RP. Revision 12/2/20 by Dr Clavell, AMS 700 CX, L 21 R 21+1.5 RTE.

oldbeek
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Re: Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby oldbeek » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:32 pm

Study the anatomy of that region. I found an explanation and anatomy pictures on google. Googled cruses. See where the cruses and muscles are attached. The cruses muscles are attached to the inside of your thighs right at the perineum, where your pubic floor muscles are. Your dick is anchored inside the cruses. There is no way an RP operation can shorten your dick. When I was using trimix it caused extreme pain in my sponganaious (dick) material. I could feel the pain at the base of my cruses to the tip of my glans. Now my implant tip extenders are anchored in the base of my cruses near my anus. The inflatable part starts near the pubic bone to the glans. The total dick is 9 inch from base of cruses to glans.

Length..... I am 6 1/4 fully inflated inside the VED tube, but if I add maximum vacuum it only stretches out to 6 1/2, maybe 6 3/4. If you gain 2 inches with VAC, I think you were shorted with the implant. Also I think a 7 inch dick needs a 24cm implant in most cases.
82, good health, RP 7-2017, all nerves taken , PSA 0.05, 4-18,, .07 1/19,.05 4/19, .03 11-21, .04 11-23, implanted 4-1-18, Infra-pubic, AMS lgx 15 cm with 5cm rte. Implant at USC Keck. Dr Boyd and Dr Loh Doyle 6.5 x 5, 800 AUS 7-21-20

Lost Sheep
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Re: Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby Lost Sheep » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:19 pm

palace01 wrote:Lost Sheep - Thanks for understandable extra reasons, however, ... I know for sure that my full erection is a lot shorter because,,,,

1) I am not circumcised but I can swear(guarantee) that right up to the day of my prostate surgery my natural erection(no pills or any other help) was such that the WHOLE Penile Glans (Head) ALWAYS appeared OUTSIDE of my fully expanded Foreskin.
Post Prostate and Implant Surgeries the top end of the Glans never comes anywhere near the end of the foreskin. In fact I always have some loose floppy foreskin beyond the Glans at full implant erection.
2) During exciting sex my penis will pop out several times but never did so previously...
3) My wife sadly agrees I am much shorter and has definitely lowered her interest..

How far does the implant's distal tips extend into your glans. When flaccid and when erect? I would expect more than halfway (in both conditions), absent some blockage of your Tunica into the glans or other anomaly.

Disappointing that your wife's interest depends on your length. Perhaps sexual positions that provide more penetration or a better angle. Research, research, research. At least now you can experiment with multiple positions without losing your erection (a MAJOR improvement in me after implant).

Either that, or blindfold her so she cannot see your size before entry. :o :roll: :lol:
Lost Sheep
AMS LGX 18+3 Nov 6, 2017
Prostate Cancer 2023
READ OLD THREADS-ask better questions -better understand answers
Be part of your medical team
Document pre-op size-photos and written records
Pre-op VED therapy helps. Post-op is another matter

radioradio
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Re: Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby radioradio » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:01 pm

oldbeek wrote:Study the anatomy of that region. I found an explanation and anatomy pictures on google. Googled cruses. See where the cruses and muscles are attached. The cruses muscles are attached to the inside of your thighs right at the perineum, where your pubic floor muscles are. Your dick is anchored inside the cruses. There is no way an RP operation can shorten your dick. When I was using trimix it caused extreme pain in my sponganaious (dick) material. I could feel the pain at the base of my cruses to the tip of my glans. Now my implant tip extenders are anchored in the base of my cruses near my anus. The inflatable part starts near the pubic bone to the glans. The total dick is 9 inch from base of cruses to glans.

Length..... I am 6 1/4 fully inflated inside the VED tube, but if I add maximum vacuum it only stretches out to 6 1/2, maybe 6 3/4. If you gain 2 inches with VAC, I think you were shorted with the implant. Also I think a 7 inch dick needs a 24cm implant in most cases.

RP absolutely can shorten your dick. I went from having a short flaccid dick to having an innie. The implant and almost-daily cycling for nearly two years, and my flaccid size is way longer than it ever was, and my erect length is within a 1/2 to 1/4 inch of pre-prostatectomy length.
Bob
Born '52. Married '79. RALP 3/1/17. ED 50+% prior to surgery even w/ meds. VED, Injections, ineffective. Considering implant even before PCa diagnosis. Dr. Kramer 8/2/17. LGX 21cm+0.5 RTE. Kramer replaced/repositioned pump 12/13/17. Willing to Show/Tell.

oldbeek
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Re: Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby oldbeek » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:50 am

radioradio wrote:
oldbeek wrote:Study the anatomy of that region. I found an explanation and anatomy pictures on google. Googled cruses. See where the cruses and muscles are attached. The cruses muscles are attached to the inside of your thighs right at the perineum, where your pubic floor muscles are. Your dick is anchored inside the cruses. There is no way an RP operation can shorten your dick. When I was using trimix it caused extreme pain in my sponganaious (dick) material. I could feel the pain at the base of my cruses to the tip of my glans. Now my implant tip extenders are anchored in the base of my cruses near my anus. The inflatable part starts near the pubic bone to the glans. The total dick is 9 inch from base of cruses to glans.

Length..... I am 6 1/4 fully inflated inside the VED tube, but if I add maximum vacuum it only stretches out to 6 1/2, maybe 6 3/4. If you gain 2 inches with VAC, I think you were shorted with the implant. Also I think a 7 inch dick needs a 24cm implant in most cases.

RP absolutely can shorten your dick. I went from having a short flaccid dick to having an innie. The implant and almost-daily cycling for nearly two years, and my flaccid size is way longer than it ever was, and my erect length is within a 1/2 to 1/4 inch of pre-prostatectomy length.
Bob


Yes you were shorter flaccid before the implant. The urethra is shorter and sucks your dick in until it stretches out again. But this guy has an implant and he should have the same results that we both have. Much longer flacid and almost VED stretched size. Not 2 inch shorter that VED stretch size.
82, good health, RP 7-2017, all nerves taken , PSA 0.05, 4-18,, .07 1/19,.05 4/19, .03 11-21, .04 11-23, implanted 4-1-18, Infra-pubic, AMS lgx 15 cm with 5cm rte. Implant at USC Keck. Dr Boyd and Dr Loh Doyle 6.5 x 5, 800 AUS 7-21-20

SW0110
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Re: Famous missing TWO INCHES

Postby SW0110 » Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:07 pm

Does seem kind of unusual. I only have 19 cm total with my titan but am a good solid 6.25 inches. My best natural was right at 7. In the ved my best was 6.75 inches. My wife says she could not tell I am .75 inches shorter. I will say I have very little of a fat pad so she gets pretty much all in when we are bone on bone in missionary.

In looking over posts, a 20 cm implant gets someone normally into the over 6 inch range. I was hoping for a 20 cm, but probably got sized right as tips are well into glans. May get my last .75 inches back on a revision after the peyronies plaque is stretched out over time.
18 cm plus 1 rte titan installed March 2019. Revision March 2020 by Dr. Andrew Todd, Richmond KY. He replaced the titan with an AMS 700 LGX 18 cm cylinder plus 2 rte for 20 cm total length.


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