Ready, get set, go?

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Larry10625

Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Larry10625 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:54 pm

Dave52 wrote:I totally disagree with what Larry has said. If you listen to him the guys here especially
Larry have all the answers I don’t think for a minute if I had questions like the following I would rely on the FT brotherhood

1. I have blood coming out of my stitches and it won’t stop
2. I can’t feel my penis anymore it’s changed color
3, I’ve run out of pain meds should I suck it up
4. Ihave a green discharge coming from the incision site
5. The pain has been increasing daily now for the last week
6. Will I do damage to my implant If i use a vibrator on it,when is to soon.
7. Is a VED ok to use on an implant according to Larry it is because his Dr. thinks is ok.not every doctor will agree in fact most won’t But if Larry likes it it’s the gospel
I could go on for a week but Larry has all the answers
The duty of a Moderator on a public forum is not to create problems but to try to alleviate them .



Yes, I could answer EVERY one of the 6 questions, and you know what I meant and asking question of a medical nature was not it. Why don't you ask an implant surgeon how their pain was post op...There are hundreds of questions that only an implanted patient can answer. As for the VED, what are you calling the doctors that agree with it's use (yes, including mine) and all of the members that have successfully used it?? Are they all incompetent because they don't agree with those who say don't use it. Blowing your stack at me doesn't make you look smart. Stop telling me what the duties of the moderator is because another one of the duties is to ensure a positive tone on their website, you have been anything but supportive.

Larry

Larry10625

Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Larry10625 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:58 pm

purcelldds wrote:I am a doctor in a certain health care field that is oft maligned for causing people to have pain post operatively. While I haven't personally experienced most of the things I do to my patients, I can say that after 25 years of practice that I consider myself an expert in both the procedure and the post operative course. If a doctor has done thousands of procedures, he/she knows the best post operative course because we have years of experience in seeing the outcomes of all of our patients, not just your one case. We have a vested interest in the best outcome for our patients because at a minimum our livelihood and reputation depend on it. And most doctors genuinely care about their patients. Every doctor is different, every patient is different. One cannot therefore take the anecdotal experience of one person or a few who are all different and have had different doctors and methods and then apply that to everyone as medical advice.
One can argue the relative competence of one doctor or another but to suggest that clearly recognized experts in the field are somehow not adequate as a source for post operative care and advice is not sound logic and is bad advice. Of course we can use brothers for support and advice but they are not experts in a general sense even though they may have become an "expert" with their own situation. Unfortunately, I am seeing a trend on this site where unwarranted advice and techniques are given that seem to go against medical advice. Look, we are all human, including your doctor. The absolute best doctor has bad days. We are dealing with a difficult and emotional condition and many men, including myself come to this site looking for advice. It should be taken seriously and not turned into a forum for cliques with dueling opinions and biases. Doctors are the experts but they aren't perfect and the truly outstanding experts should be respected. The key is who you choose to do your procedure. This site at its best can be an outstanding source to help guys pick competent expert doctors. Once you choose a doctor however, you should stick to their protocol pre and post-operatively because that is what has worked for them. Getting random advice from someone on the internet after the fact is not a good idea if it opposes what your doctor recommends.
Just my two cents...



Dr. I have NEVER claimed that anyone other than a surgeon is an expert in the actual implanting but you absolutely cannot tell me, or any other implant patient, that you know how they feel... that is simply not possible no matter how many procedures you have performed.

Larry

Larry10625

Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Larry10625 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:08 pm

All:
This is not even close to the first time I have said this and there has NEVER been the backlash before. Before you all jump on Dave52 or Floppy's band wagon, think about what I actually said, not what those two think I said.

Larry

Larry10625

Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Larry10625 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:18 pm

purcelldds wrote:I am a doctor in a certain health care field that is oft maligned for causing people to have pain post operatively. While I haven't personally experienced most of the things I do to my patients, I can say that after 25 years of practice that I consider myself an expert in both the procedure and the post operative course. If a doctor has done thousands of procedures, he/she knows the best post operative course because we have years of experience in seeing the outcomes of all of our patients, not just your one case. We have a vested interest in the best outcome for our patients because at a minimum our livelihood and reputation depend on it. And most doctors genuinely care about their patients. Every doctor is different, every patient is different. One cannot therefore take the anecdotal experience of one person or a few who are all different and have had different doctors and methods and then apply that to everyone as medical advice.
One can argue the relative competence of one doctor or another but to suggest that clearly recognized experts in the field are somehow not adequate as a source for post operative care and advice is not sound logic and is bad advice. Of course we can use brothers for support and advice but they are not experts in a general sense even though they may have become an "expert" with their own situation. Unfortunately, I am seeing a trend on this site where unwarranted advice and techniques are given that seem to go against medical advice. Look, we are all human, including your doctor. The absolute best doctor has bad days. We are dealing with a difficult and emotional condition and many men, including myself come to this site looking for advice. It should be taken seriously and not turned into a forum for cliques with dueling opinions and biases. Doctors are the experts but they aren't perfect and the truly outstanding experts should be respected. The key is who you choose to do your procedure. This site at its best can be an outstanding source to help guys pick competent expert doctors. Once you choose a doctor however, you should stick to their protocol pre and post-operatively because that is what has worked for them. Getting random advice from someone on the internet after the fact is not a good idea if it opposes what your doctor recommends.
Just my two cents...



And when half the doctors disagree with the other half, then what??? Would you agree that the half with actual patients that prove the results work are correct or do you believe the half that say not to something because they have told their patients not to do it and therefore have no proven results???

Larry

purcelldds
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Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby purcelldds » Thu Nov 01, 2018 6:27 pm

Larry10625 wrote:
purcelldds wrote:I am a doctor in a certain health care field that is oft maligned for causing people to have pain post operatively. While I haven't personally experienced most of the things I do to my patients, I can say that after 25 years of practice that I consider myself an expert in both the procedure and the post operative course. If a doctor has done thousands of procedures, he/she knows the best post operative course because we have years of experience in seeing the outcomes of all of our patients, not just your one case. We have a vested interest in the best outcome for our patients because at a minimum our livelihood and reputation depend on it. And most doctors genuinely care about their patients. Every doctor is different, every patient is different. One cannot therefore take the anecdotal experience of one person or a few who are all different and have had different doctors and methods and then apply that to everyone as medical advice.
One can argue the relative competence of one doctor or another but to suggest that clearly recognized experts in the field are somehow not adequate as a source for post operative care and advice is not sound logic and is bad advice. Of course we can use brothers for support and advice but they are not experts in a general sense even though they may have become an "expert" with their own situation. Unfortunately, I am seeing a trend on this site where unwarranted advice and techniques are given that seem to go against medical advice. Look, we are all human, including your doctor. The absolute best doctor has bad days. We are dealing with a difficult and emotional condition and many men, including myself come to this site looking for advice. It should be taken seriously and not turned into a forum for cliques with dueling opinions and biases. Doctors are the experts but they aren't perfect and the truly outstanding experts should be respected. The key is who you choose to do your procedure. This site at its best can be an outstanding source to help guys pick competent expert doctors. Once you choose a doctor however, you should stick to their protocol pre and post-operatively because that is what has worked for them. Getting random advice from someone on the internet after the fact is not a good idea if it opposes what your doctor recommends.
Just my two cents...



And when half the doctors disagree with the other half, then what??? Would you agree that the half with actual patients that prove the results work are correct or do you believe the half that say not to something because they have told their patients not to do it and therefore have no proven results???

Larry


I say stick with the doctor's advice with whom YOU chose to do YOUR surgery. There are many ways to have successful outcomes.
55 years old, fit, healthy, married. Mild to mod ED 3 years. Peyronies for one year, history of trauma/penile fracture. Pills no longer working well. Implanted by Dr Eid with a 22cm Titan on 12/19/2018. Started cycling day 4. Sex on day 24.

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Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Nestor » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:12 pm

Dogface wrote:Dr. Kramer’s nurse indicated 3-4 weeks healing time before resuming daily activities.


What does that mean exactly?
47; Considering an implant. ED for over a decade. Tested a decade ago for VL, negative. Not hormonal; may be dopamine reward dysfunction.

Dave52
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Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Dave52 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:57 pm

Larry when half the doctors say that VED use is ok and half say not them as a reponsible moderator
you suck it up and dont’t take a side and say “ my Dr. said it’s fine “
You stand aside and let the individual make his own decision don’t try to say mine is right here’s the study to prove it. I know you don’t like me and that’s fine because the feeling
Is mutual. I don’t want you to tell a potential implant recipient that they should roll the dice and hope they don’t crap on some AMS center of excellence because they are your supporters.and say that the high.volume specialist is not the guy to go to.
Not long ago you said that Frank Talk was not an information site It was a support site so
WHY are you offering information. As your best ever poster Merrix said “I Can’t offer Advice only support “ that’s because of your policy. You don’t deserve to be talked to In private Because the public your supposed to be supporting needs to have a transparent look at you motives
Born 52
Prostatectomy 6/1/18
Viagra worked before RRP
Trimix painful Bimix both Ineffective
Titan 20CM 1CM RTE
10/26/18 Dr.Eid

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Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Dave52 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:13 pm

If you hVe the balls to take me off this site go ahead you know
Your wrong if I had the power
To foremhou you wouldn’t even know it had already happened your head would
Be spinning
Born 52
Prostatectomy 6/1/18
Viagra worked before RRP
Trimix painful Bimix both Ineffective
Titan 20CM 1CM RTE
10/26/18 Dr.Eid

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Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Dave52 » Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:59 pm

I can’t see how that got so screws up but as I said.
I said you Larry don’t have the balls to take me off this site go ahead you know that your wrong. If
I had the power to fire you. You would not even know it already happened your head would be spinning
Born 52
Prostatectomy 6/1/18
Viagra worked before RRP
Trimix painful Bimix both Ineffective
Titan 20CM 1CM RTE
10/26/18 Dr.Eid

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Re: Ready, get set, go?

Postby Dogface » Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:27 am

Nestor wrote:
Dogface wrote:Dr. Kramer’s nurse indicated 3-4 weeks healing time before resuming daily activities.


What does that mean exactly?


I work part-time as a Personal Trainer and conduct exercise classes for seniors. Dr. Kramer's nurse indicated I may resume exercise classes on or about 3-4 weeks post op. Did not discuss when to give implant a trial run.
RP surgery for PCa March 2011, rising PSA 2013, remission since 2014. Chronic ED since 2011 tried pills, VED, and injections. Implanted LGX 4/17/19 Dr. Kramer. On scale of 1-10 I'd give it an 8. That's due to a slight curve.


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