How many months should one do traction and VED (pre-op to maximize results)

[QuestionGuy]

Update: I've now been doing traction and VED for a couple of weeks. (Penimaster and SomAErect) I have only worked up to VED about 5 times a week for @ 7 minutes and traction about 5 times a week @ 2 hours. With traction, I do notice for several hours afterwards, the plaque seem softer and less ridged (as if its being broken up or dissipated somewhat) By the next day it gets a bit denser again. After the VED, I get a bit better "stretch test" than I ever had before.

Question: what is a good rule of thumb to know when your traction tension or vacuum pressure is to much; and if there is danger of doing damage? In order to get a seal on the vacuum, i have to use so much pressure that penis head begins to turn a couple of shades of purple. It returns to normal after the VED is over.

[Tsanchez12369]

Good rule of thumb, if experience pain back off or stop until the next day.

[Opie52]

How soon after surgery can you use a vacuum pump? And when you do use it do you want to be deflated or inflated? Do you want to pump while you are using it?

[Larry10625]

Update: I've now been doing traction and VED for a couple of weeks. (Penimaster and SomAErect) I have only worked up to VED about 5 times a week for @ 7 minutes and traction about 5 times a week @ 2 hours. With traction, I do notice for several hours afterwards, the plaque seem softer and less ridged (as if its being broken up or dissipated somewhat) By the next day it gets a bit denser again. After the VED, I get a bit better "stretch test" than I ever had before.

Question: what is a good rule of thumb to know when your traction tension or vacuum pressure is to much; and if there is danger of doing damage? In order to get a seal on the vacuum, i have to use so much pressure that penis head begins to turn a couple of shades of purple. It returns to normal after the VED is over.

I do it until it feels uncomfortable... you seem to have found the perfect suction for the VED anyway, I don't know about the traction. Do you do the VED first and then traction??? I feel like that would be the best course of action.

Larry

[Quincy]

You've had lots of good answers here. I'll add that my doc (Karpman in the Bay area) told me to use the VED four times a day for 20 minutes each if I could manage it. He indicated that 2 months was the minimum for assuring better size, but said that the gains after the first month would be minor. I usually did 3 or 4 sessions each day, but sometimes only 2 and some days I just didn't want to at all so one or none. After a while it just got boring and routine. It takes a significant amount of time and privacy. I kept doing the VED stretching for 3 months, total, though the first month was only once or twice a day - it was before I taked with Dr. Karpman

I also added traction with the Penimaster Pro. I probably didn't start that early enough. I kept hearing that 6 months of traction was the right amount to see significant, stable gains, but that was from penis enlargement sites where guys were just trying to be bigger, not get stretching in before an implant. I did the traction for about 6 weeks.

Looking back at it, the VED use really seemed to help a lot. I marked the VED tube each week and saw well over an inch of gain when pumped to max. My dick was defintely large inside the VED, and I would fill the tube from side to side, had to get a larger tube after a few weeks. My size after the implant is probably much better than it would have been otherwise, but no where near as big as I was in the VED, in both length and girth. I've read tht the VED pulls in extra tissues that won't be in play with the implant, and it is unlikely that an implant will have the size you get in the VED at max.

The traction didn't seem to help much. Since I'd already been using the VED for 6 weeks by the time I starte traction, perhaps I already had the growth I was going to get. I considered waiting on the implant for 6 months of traction use, but I was impatient to be functional again and went ahead with the surgery on the original schedule. So 3 months of VED, 6 weeks of traction.

As far as how much to pump, I'd suggest using a VED with a guage so you can see the amount of pressure. I initally pumped to 5 in/hg at max, and slowly increased that. I also cycled the pressure up and down during the 20 minute sessions, having heard that cycling would increase blood flow and be more healthy than just pumping it up and leaving it there. I don't know how true that is, but I was happy with the results. I also did a thing called "milking" the tube, which I can describe if you want.

If I had it to do over again, I'd start traction at the same time I started VED. But since traction didn't really do a lot for me, I'd be fine with just doing the VED and not bothering with traction. YMMV. If I were patient, I'd have gone for 6 months with both VED and traction, but knowing now how well this thing works, I'd probably not be patient. Two months would be good enough, perhaps.

I'm not a doctor, so everything I've said is anecdotal. I'd do what your doctor tells you.

Best wishes!

Quincy

[Opie52]

Just got done at that doctor, he said not to use a vaccum pump. Is this typical?

[QuestionGuy]

UPDATE: I'm finally getting the hang of both devices. I have worked up to about 90 minutes traction a day and 1 or 2 pumps a day vacuum (@ 7min per pump). some days i still do nothing though. To anyone following and attempts this, I would say be patient as there is a "learning curve". CRAWL-WALK-RUN : It took a while to really understand how all the components worked together (especially on the PENIMASTER)

I will say that if I could be measured and implanted right after I finish a session with either device: i would get sized at my maximum length/Girth.....im hoping surgical prep does not involve processes that shrivel the penis (like a swimming pool does)

Opie52 - this thread is about pre-surgery traction and pumping, but I do see a new thread has been started in this forum on post-surgery protocols.

Quincy - you are correct: there are alot of good answers here. Based on the searching i did before i started this thread, it might now be one of the best and most consolidated sources for pre-op pumping/traction.

[ED2013]

Sounds like you’re doing a good job at assuring your best size outcome. As far as ved goes, one thing to watch out for is “donut dick” where fluid collects below the glans and stays there for awhile. That means too much pressure or too long. Being that you have peyronies, I’d say that it’s also very important to choose a great surgeon.

[QuestionGuy]

thanks ED2013. My surgeon is Dr. Irwin Goldstein, and he has stated that the scar tissue at the base will be the greatest challenge, and they will likely need to "bore thru it" with some kind of drill in order to get the implant into the body cavity to where the back is attached. So much of the information on the internet deals primarily with the penis part of the surgery and the part of the implant that goes into the shaft, but the back-end is what Id love to learn more about.

[QuestionGuy]

Update: I've been doing traction and VED for 3 months now, but not as often as I would like. I get perhaps 3 sessions of each in per week and I know this is not enough to be considered a realistic pre-op protocol. I'm going to try to step it up and will continue to update. I' doing P-shots as well, so while I'm in that life-cycle I'll try to get a more regular TRACTION/VED regiment going.