The imperfect implant

The final frontier. Deciding when, if and how.



IJN1324
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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby IJN1324 » Fri May 26, 2017 10:44 pm

AussieRjay wrote:You have to adopt the right mindset. You are not being "cured" in terms of a restoration of full natural function and health. That, of course, is the gold standard anyone would want. Reality intervenes however, inasmuch as it is simply not possible to effect a cure. This is true of many ailments, and wishing it were otherwise will not change things.

What you are (potentially) having done is the installation of a prosthesis. This word is bandied around, but I wonder sometimes if people really let this sink in. In almost all respects, it is analogous to the installation of a hip or knee prosthesis. You are replacing a natural body part / function that has broken down to the point where it is no longer functional.

How do knee implants compare to natural knees? They are painful and complicated to install. They carry substantial surgical risks. They are prone to failure and to wear - they do not last forever, and are therefore quite rationally installed as a last resort. They don't behave exactly like a natural knee - in range of motion, and other respects - but they get very close.

Sound familiar?

Now take someone with a worn out or damaged knee. That person can hobble around on crutches, singing woe is me, and live that way. They can scan journals of regenerative medicine, keeping track of progress toward treatments that will grow them a new knee from stem cells or some other miracle cure. They can spend a decade doing that if they like, all the while their mobility growing poorer and poorer along with their quality of life, waiting for a cure that may not come within their lifetime, or one which comes so late that years or decades of quality of life effectively have been wasted for nothing. They might get their cure in 20 years, by which time their cardiovascular system is in a bad way and they still can't walk far or at all! What a pyrrhic victory that would be.

Alternately, that person can have the knee replaced, now, and be walking again in a few weeks or months. It will not be the same as their original knee, but functionally it is usually a brilliant move which rapidly and durably restores significant quality of life.

I'm 44. I just had an implant installed. I spent years (25 - read that again: TWENTY-FIVE YEARS) hoping that I could be cured, that some miracle treatment for venous leak would present itself. So far, there have been a lot of hopeful noises and little else. Lots of hopeful noises that turn into nothing, and lots of shysters preying on desperate men. Dangerous experimental surgeries leaving people sometimes worse off than before (witness poor gollam's struggle with that). Stem cell treatments being run out of poorly regulated clinics. The list goes on. Half-way treatments that occasionally make small improvements but ultimately do not cure the problem, and do nothing but keep men in a holding pattern of fear, anxiety and false hope. One thing after another, for many men, tried and failed, each of them eating up months or years of that man's limited time on this Earth.

My choices, as of the day before implant, were to try one of those poorly evidenced procedures, continue to wait for a miracle (having already waited two+ decades for one, losing most of my prime male years to anxiety, stress and celibacy) or get the implant, a mature, refined technology with four decades of experience, incremental improvement and success behind it. Then start enjoying my life again. Once you run an impartial ruler over your options, with the rose coloured glasses off and the fantasies stripped down to actualities, it didn't seem like much of a choice existed at all. Be potent with an implant, however imperfect they might be, or remain impotent indefinitely. Remain stressed. Remain celibate. Remain that way til I am in a box.

Medical science may well cure the problem at the organic level in another 20 years (I don't for one second believe it is significantly closer than that). That will be magnificent if (big IF)/when it occurs. By then I will be 64. Should I bank on that, give up what's left of my prime, and endure another 20 years of ED and celibacy so I can screw like a maniac only once I am in my 60s? Come on. Firstly, I could be hit by a bus next week, and secondly I don't have the wealth to ensure that in my mid 60's I will be making out with partners as compelling as those I could attract now. That may well sound shallow, and it is, but I missed out almost wholly on sex in my late 20s, my 30s and early 40s with partners of that same age. From most accounts, the best years of many people's sex lives. I am having those that remain, thanks, not waiting and waiting for something that may not come or come far too late. I am unmarried / single. Should that too be allowed to persist another 20 years? Should I be looking to spend up to 40 or more years with the love of my life, or only to spend 10-20 with whoever will have me during my golden years - all because I held out for "perfection"? That certainly doesn't sound like a "perfect" life outcome to me.

No, implants are not perfect. They can never be perfect, because they will never cure the problem that caused the dysfunction in the first place. They restore most of that functionality and, like any other prosthesis, there are massive benefits to be had from that. This is where your focus must be - reality. A desire for perfection in an implant is really just another way of expressing the desire for restoration of full natural functionality - the very same fantasy that has caused all the angst to date and which will continue to do so as long as you refuse to accept any lesser outcome (ironically tolerating instead a much lesser outcome, in the form of choosing to continue to suffer your current disability).

The implant is quite rightly the option of last resort, just as knee replacements are. However if you are at the point of having no other options then you can choose to continue to pine for what will likely never be (or come too late to do you personally any good) or you can accept the best functional outcome you can obtain.

What causes people the most grief is lack of perspective. It certainly was for me. This is true of many mental health issues, and deciding what to do about persistent and disabling ED rapidly does become a mental health issue. Once you are able to make yourself perform a rational, dispassionate assessment of the situation you are in, you will perhaps then have the necessary perspective to make the best decision. While ever your head is full of anxiety and self-pity (how do I get cured when there is no cure, life sucks, woe is me) and fantasy (something will come along soon and cure me, I just know it) you can't perform that dispassionate analysis of your situation and options and you can't get the necessary perspective to make the right decision for yourself. If you want to take anything from this post of mine, take this: don't allow 25 years to elapse before you get your head into the real world and make that dispassionate assessment.

You can't choose whether your natural function returns. You most certainly can choose your own headspace. If you are considering implantation, I exhort you to obtain counselling or any other support necessary to get your head to the place where you have the required perspective to make an informed decision about the risks and rewards. Anyone going into an implant surgery with their head still in the messed up place I describe above would, I think, be at much higher risk of an adverse outcome in terms of satisfaction with both the implant and with their life generally post-implant.

My implant has not been activated yet, but I certainly did all the mental hard yards before I wound up on the operating table. My attitude to life generally improved considerably within hours of the surgery. I had made the dispassionate assessment, and I had followed through. The difficult part was over. All that remains is to adhere diligently to rehab (same as with a knee replacement), assess the functional outcome and maximise the life satisfaction to be had from that degree of restoration of function. For me, if that means that I can go from depressed sexless "victim" who lives with a dog, to a man with a loving partner, an active sex life and my headspace freed for concerns other than the non-working state of my dick, that's as good a functional outcome as I could reasonably hope for. Will it self-erect on a sexy thought? No. That's reality. Will it erect on demand and eradicate performance anxiety? Yes. That's reality. Is that as good as it gets for me? Yes, that is the final reality. At my present age and with the present options, that is as good as it gets for me. Is that something to be sad about? That's down to your state of mind. You can continue post-implant to wallow in misery with a victim complex if you wish. It won't change anything and wholly defeats the purpose of going through the procedure. Or you can take the minor miracle you've been given and - like someone with a new knee - get out of the house and go walking once more. That is a choice entirely within your own control - you can choose to wallow in a victim mentality as long as you wish, and you can choose to cease doing so. Which of those is likely to lead to happiness, do you think?

If you are still researching and deliberating, make sure your decision making process is grounded in reality, not tossing around fantasy "options" which aren't actually open to you and may never be. What can I do about the problem in real concrete terms right now? Not pie in the sky stuff - reality. That would be pills, injections, VED or implant. Assume the first three have failed. What is likely to come along in the near (not distant) future that might present another option? Anything? No. Not really. Will an implant cure me of the original causation of the ED? No. Will it give me back a life and a level of functionality I can be happy with? That depends on the success of the surgery, your own attitude, and whether you have set your expectations in accordance with reality - or if you are still living in a world of fantasy cures. The reality is that an implant can provide something approaching full function, not unlike the replacement knee. You will be able to have sex, and you will be able to remove the debilitating anxiety and self loathing from your life. It is astonishing, really, that an option so successful is available at all. Men's health generally doesn't get a lot of attention and we are beyond fortunate that this option is open to us.

I choose to be optimistic about where my life will be in a few months. Like the man with the bung knee, I choose not to sit at home and moan that never again will my knee work like it used to. I choose to restore my ability to walk, and then go walking.

If they are growing new knees in 20 years, I will look then at whether there is anything in that for me. In the meantime I will have been out walking and living my life for the prior 20, not sat at home whining, embittered and atrophied.


You are my hero AussiRjay. Very well written post. You are better than me, I am tired of people complaining about it not being the real thing.It might not be, but it's better than what was before and now I have a beautiful penis that seems to have grown longer and fatter. I have Kramer to thank for that.

It took me a year to decide to get an implant, now i would do it in a heartbeat, my wife agrees with me too
700 LGX 21+2 Kramer 4.12.17

Cnidium
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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby Cnidium » Sat May 27, 2017 1:10 am

JayGould wrote:
Cnidium wrote:Im 27 years old. I have lost 4 years to injury induced ED. I dont plan on wasting anymore.


I've only lost 6 months personally but from everything I read and the way I assess my own situation I know natural improvement is very unlikely. Going for an implant within the next 6 months as well. Hopefully I can regain some size (at least girth).

Did you lose any dimensions Cnidium?


Jay,

I dont think I lost any dimensions. Maybe just a bit of girth as their is a slight dent in my left cavernosum where the scarring is. But, from what I can tell by looking it when I used to get cialis induced erections, there was no noticeable loss of size.

What I have lost, as you have seen is 4 years. Nothing in life prepared me for that. Having seen the light, so to speak, then getting waylaid by something I couldnt predict is truly unique. I am a different person now. Stronger mentally. But, I have lost a lot of interests in life that I don't think will be coming back. After dealing with something like this, a lot of things I use to find interesting are now simply trivial.

I still have plenty to keep me occupied, entertained, and engaged. Its just different.
Titan OTR. Dr. Hakky - successful surgery and very happy with outcome.
My advice: choose a world-class surgeon and make yourself the healthiest you can.

ThePlumber1964
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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby ThePlumber1964 » Sat May 27, 2017 4:42 am

IJN1324 wrote:My two cents

You cannot satisfy some people. They will always look for the negative in every situation.
This is very true!

You couldn't get your dick up before, now you can keep it up for as long as you like. Whats not to love?
Penile implant is more than just getting a penis up. It needs to be installed correctly to allow the patient to fully enjoy it. Ask Alibaba and many others with botched procedures.

Rather than complain, think about how frustrating it was whilst suffering ED and thank God that you were able to get this nearly perfect solution.
Also very true if implant and components are correctly placed!

I love ddbryan and alibaba cos they have such positive things to say about a horrible situation made good by this surgery. We should all follow their lead.
I do, too!.

My mom always used to tell me if you have nothing good to say "SHUT UP"
Agree 100%...! But "nothing good to say" is not asking people to stop disclosing their frustration with botched procedures. We learn so much from them!!!

I didnt join this forum to hear negative comments, so keep them to yourselves and celebrate your bionic-ness (if that's a word) with your frank talk brothers
I joined the forum for a completely different reason: to hear the truth, which includes hearing stories of all kind of outcomes. I do not like the whining, but I welcome the open discussion of issues from unsatisfied brothers.


ThePlumber
54 years old, happily married for 30 years to a beautiful & outstanding lady. Onset ED at 49. Finally fixed on 11/08/2017 by the master Dr. Eid with a Titan XL 26, no RTEs! Previously had 3 AMS implants (LGX & CX), all botched.

IJN1324
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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby IJN1324 » Sat May 27, 2017 12:47 pm

ThePlumber1964 wrote:
IJN1324 wrote:My two cents

You cannot satisfy some people. They will always look for the negative in every situation.
This is very true!

You couldn't get your dick up before, now you can keep it up for as long as you like. Whats not to love?
Penile implant is more than just getting a penis up. It needs to be installed correctly to allow the patient to fully enjoy it. Ask Alibaba and many others with botched procedures.

Rather than complain, think about how frustrating it was whilst suffering ED and thank God that you were able to get this nearly perfect solution.
Also very true if implant and components are correctly placed!

I love ddbryan and alibaba cos they have such positive things to say about a horrible situation made good by this surgery. We should all follow their lead.
I do, too!.

My mom always used to tell me if you have nothing good to say "SHUT UP"
Agree 100%...! But "nothing good to say" is not asking people to stop disclosing their frustration with botched procedures. We learn so much from them!!!

I didnt join this forum to hear negative comments, so keep them to yourselves and celebrate your bionic-ness (if that's a word) with your frank talk brothers
I joined the forum for a completely different reason: to hear the truth, which includes hearing stories of all kind of outcomes. I do not like the whining, but I welcome the open discussion of issues from unsatisfied brothers.


ThePlumber


Thank you "ThePlumber" you and I agree on practically everything. Everything I wrote referenced a procedure correctly done. Of course if your procedure was botched, you have a right to complain. I just cannot stand the glass half empty guys who see nothing positive in anything.
700 LGX 21+2 Kramer 4.12.17

Larry10625

Re: The imperfect implant

Postby Larry10625 » Sat May 27, 2017 2:07 pm

I asked before and never got an answer... I had the AMS 700 LGX 18 + 2. I was having great difficulty locating the release button... and then there was that fateful day that I lost it. I am looking forward to 6 months (sometime around October when I can get another. My question... On the keychain model I have, the pump is very stiff. I am wondering if it softens up as time goes on? I would think that pressing the inside of my bag against the ridged pattern on the pump would hurt like hell. Also, that tiny release button being pressed against the inside of my bag would feel like a wood screw. Does it get softer? Does it hurt? All you guys with the same device as me would be qualified to answer.

ThePlumber1964
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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby ThePlumber1964 » Sat May 27, 2017 2:24 pm

Larry,

Based on my experience with 3 of this pumps, depending on the position and the amount of tissue around it heals, the button can be easy to operate, or extremely difficult to find. Two of the three were EASY. However, one healed with such a thick pseudo capsule that it is a guessing game to find it. Furthermore, it can get so thick that you can press it for the 4-5 seconds, and half of the times after releasing it, it doesn't stay engaged.

Also, 2 out of 3 got easier to pump with time. The other one got harder with time. And I at 52 have very good grip and dexterity.
54 years old, happily married for 30 years to a beautiful & outstanding lady. Onset ED at 49. Finally fixed on 11/08/2017 by the master Dr. Eid with a Titan XL 26, no RTEs! Previously had 3 AMS implants (LGX & CX), all botched.

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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby ThePlumber1964 » Sat May 27, 2017 2:33 pm

IJN1324 wrote: Thank you "ThePlumber" you and I agree on practically everything. Everything I wrote referenced a procedure correctly done. Of course if your procedure was botched, you have a right to complain. I just cannot stand the glass half empty guys who see nothing positive in anything.


Good summary.
54 years old, happily married for 30 years to a beautiful & outstanding lady. Onset ED at 49. Finally fixed on 11/08/2017 by the master Dr. Eid with a Titan XL 26, no RTEs! Previously had 3 AMS implants (LGX & CX), all botched.

Nocturne
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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby Nocturne » Sun May 28, 2017 6:52 am

Interesting thread.

I do not have an implant (yet) and do not need one (yet). About two years ago I hit a sudden severe ED wall at age 41. Had never had problems before that. Would have laughed at the suggestion that I would be suffering from ED in a year when I was 40. But there it was.

Learned I had abysmally low testosterone (approaching castrate level) and figured it must be that, dreaded having developed venous leak (as can happen with low T), and it took months of treatment before I got back to mostly normal (with small doses of Cialis). Spontaneous erections without stimulation are pretty much a thing if the past, but I can reliably have sex -- for now.

But I'm not stupid and I know what's coming. This forum is great because I can see that there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

Don't want to minimize ANYONE'S experiences here, because I went through my own and they messed me up badly, to the point where I would briefly think about suicide just to make the hurt go away. But shortly after I started to get my erections back, I learned I have aortic valve stenosis -- a heart condition usually encountered by guys twenty years or more older than me. Then I learned I had coronary artery disease. Then I learned I had sky-high lipoprotein a levels (390 nmol/L, triple the "extremely high risk" cutoff and thirteen times normal), and two copies of a bad gene for high Lp(a) and aortic valve stenosis. My heart is trashed. I'll probably live another couple of decades but after that...

And of course the Lp(a) takes a knife to your endothelial tissues all over the body, which also explains the ED even further.

Meanwhile, I can't eat or drink anything without worrying about my heart, I can't do anything but exercise without worrying about my heart, and still I can't have sex without worrying -- well, without anxiety over whether or not I'll stay hard until the end. Again, it's good to know that at least WRT sex, there is a light at the end of the tunnel.

My point is this -- I WISH I could go back to the ED and hormone issues being the worst and scariest thing in my life. I can't believe I am saying this but I would prefer incurable venous leak that could be effectively dealt with via implantation surgery to what I actually have. Again I am not trying to minimize -- ED, especially at a younger age when you feel like even more of a freak for having it, is horrible. It was the worst thing that had ever happened to me when it came into my life, no question.

But there are worse things...

Best of luck, guys.
Genetically sky-high Lp(a) of 390 led to various heart diseases. Ultra-low testosterone of 120 (now 480 with Clomid) also contributed to ED at age 41. Managing with daily Cialis, but for me, the implant is a "when", not an "if".

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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby Tybeeman » Sun May 28, 2017 9:52 am

Guys I am just learning here. What makes a botched implant? Let take a way the biggest hurdle and say that you have an implant and it is successful as far as no infection. What is the next big thing that makes it a botched surgery?
PC at age 56
RALP on 2/16
Implant on 6/26/2017 Doctor Tariq Hakky
Coloplast Titan OTR, 22cm with 1 cm RTE

stiffupperlip
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Re: The imperfect implant

Postby stiffupperlip » Sun May 28, 2017 9:55 am

A floppy head is one thing. The tubes don't do all the way into the head and so it flops over a little. Not good.
22cm Titan No RTE's Dr. Kramer Oct 2016


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