Length question

[whatevery]

You're not considering getting LGX; I am. Therein lies a difference. You have no skin in the game, while I do, so for me it's just more personal; it's not something in theory but could potentially translate into practice.

Elbow, I think he’s right. You have forgotten Newton’s
Third Law of Personal Dynamics:

(PD)^2= TPP

Where PD = Personal Desire and TPP = Transmutative Physical Properties. In other words, if you wish something really really hard, you can transcend the laws of physics!

Whatevery,

To be honest, I don’t think anyone particularly cares what *you* think. You can be incorrect in your head all you want. The problem is that you come on here and speak authoritatively about something you appear to know nothing about. Your opinion isn’t grounded in science, you don’t engage with the scientific literature on the matter at all. It’s not grounded in expert opinion, the leading doctors and even AMS are all pretty uniform in saying that while an LGX or other IPP may lead to recovery of your pre-implant length, it’s not going to grow your penis beyond the size it is when implanted. And it’s also not even grounded in personal experience. I’m not sure that personal experience counts for all that much compared to scientific evidence, but in one of the weirdest ironies, you continually attack people for not having an LGX when you yourself are not implanted at all. Now, let’s be clear: being implanted has *absolutely nothing to do* with contributing to a discussion of the physical properties of an object. Nothing at all! But in some weird twisted way you are trying to convince the world that *your desire* for a particular brand of IPP makes you a more reliable opinion than the very large number of expert doctors and researchers that have devoted their lives to studying this.

That’s pretty insane.

Guys like Elbow are here to help brothers get reliable info on a serious condition, where because of the stigma of ED it is very, very hard to get reliable information. Brothers here disagree about things from time to time. Rider and I had a disagreement, we worked through it. We are not always going to agree on everything.

But you are different. You are just a source of misinformation. You are a crackpot. I’ll again state that it doesn’t give me any joy to be harsh, but it has to be said.

You have a great handle, by the way. Very evocative.

You're right, whatever Leto. In relation to you it's definitely whatever. Whatever you say I do is actually what you do yourself, i.e. spread misinformation about something that you know nothing about for the reasons that I can only suspect of. I'm pretty sure I know why this topic is so important to you and it has nothing to do with truth telling. There were ample examples in the past that people with actual life experience with LGX tried to argue with you and you would just brash them off because you just know better.

To argue with you is pointless. I said what I had to say. I pointed to what I had to point. I linked to where I thought I had to link. There is nothing more to add. I'm nobody's mama. If after that people still want to believe your gibberish - it's their choice.

I bookmarked this exchange as I should've done with our earlier exchanges where members who were actually implanted with LGX tried to convince you that what you're asserting was wrong based on their own first hand experience, some even pointed to studies that you yourself sited to back up their claims. It was all futile. You'd just brush them off and keep on spewing your falsehoods for the reasons that I can only guess.

From now on every time somebody asks about whether LGX can increase one's penile length I'd just point them to here so I don't have to argue with you. Whatever 100%. In relation to you I picked an ultimate handle indeed.

[Buckbuff]

I had the cx 700 24 cm with 2 cm rt extenders put in a little over 4 yrs ago..I gained both ways. And trust me I'm not dreaming..the wife didn't like the extra length..

[ElbowRoom]

You're not considering getting LGX; I am. Therein lies a difference. You have no skin in the game, while I do, so for me it's just more personal; it's not something in theory but could potentially translate into practice.

Elbow, I think he’s right. You have forgotten Newton’s
Third Law of Personal Dynamics:

(PD)^2= TPP

Where PD = Personal Desire and TPP = Transmutative Physical Properties. In other words, if you wish something really really hard, you can transcend the laws of physics!

LOL. Yes, people see what they want to see.

[ElbowRoom]

I had the cx 700 24 cm with 2 cm rt extenders put in a little over 4 yrs ago..I gained both ways. And trust me I'm not dreaming..the wife didn't like the extra length..

Did you gain since surgery, or gain over your max length as a young man with good erections. My thesis is that the former is very common and normal, the latter is *very* rare (I won’t say impossible because everybody’s different).

I personally went from 8” post-op to around 8.9” 10 months later. But that’s less than my 9.25” max as a young man. I think my results are excellent and typical with very aggressive cycling.

[whatevery]

Buckbuff, I'm not putting anything you say in doubt, since I too heard of cases when people with girth expanding implants also increase in length. In relation to Elbow and Leto however it sure is weird.

Just think about it. Here you have people readily accepting the assertion of the length gain by an implant known as a girth expanding implant only, while fighting tooth and nail any claim that an implant whose sole purpose is length expansion would usually expand your penile length.

I just invite everybody who is thinking of implanting themselves with LGX to ponder this when considering their choices, and remember there are always reasons for any assertion, no matter how absurd they might sound. Just remember LGX would usually regain you only up to what you lost as a result of your penile atrophy but not more.

Also note that no LGX recipient dares to participate in this conversation. I communicate with many of them via PM and they all say that it's because they tried to argue with those guys before, many by providing their own examples, and found it to be pointless.

[Buckbuff]

Whatevery, I agree..it is different from what I've read. But I think the reason I'm having more loss of sensation is because of recent gain in girth?

[ElbowRoom]

Buckbuff, I'm not putting anything you say in doubt, since I too heard of cases when people with girth expanding implants also increase in length. In relation to Elbow and Leto however it sure is weird.

Just think about it. Here you have people readily accepting the assertion of the length gain by an implant known as a girth expanding implant only, while fighting tooth and nail any claim that an implant whose sole purpose is length expansion would usually expand your penile length.

I just invite everybody who is thinking of implanting themselves with LGX to ponder this when considering their choices, and remember there are always reasons for any assertion, no matter how absurd they might sound. Just remember LGX would usually regain you only up to what you lost as a result of your penile atrophy but not more.

Also note that no LGX recipient dares to participate in this conversation. I communicate with many of them via PM and they all say that it's because they tried to argue with those guys before, many by providing their own examples, and found it to be pointless.

You are misrepresenting my position entirely. I think post-op gains with ALL implants, LGX included, are possible. What I don’t think is possible with any implant, LGX included, is expansion beyond your maximum natural pre-op size.

[whatevery]

Whatevery, I agree..it is different from what I've read. But I think the reason I'm having more loss of sensation is because of recent gain in girth?

I'm truly am a wrong person to ask. Still I made an AI search "is it possible to lose sensation due to gain of girth penile implantation post-op" and got:

Yes, it is possible to experience temporary or localized changes in sensation after a penile implant procedure, but a permanent or total loss of sensation is rare.

What to Expect After Surgery

Temporary Numbness: Swelling, healing tissue, and incisions can cause mild numbness, a "pins and needles" sensation, or a dull feeling around the surgical site.

Nerve Protection: Standard surgical approaches place the device away from the main dorsal nerves responsible for sensation, helping protect normal feeling.

Recovery Time: Most minor or temporary sensory changes improve on their own within a few weeks to several months as internal inflammation subsides.

Girth and Sizing: While standard penile prostheses restore rigidity and can provide a natural increase compared to a non-erect state, specialized procedures or grafts aimed at significant extra girth enhancement carry a slightly higher risk of localized nerve stretching or temporary sensory alteration.

Take it for what it's worth.

[whatevery]

Buckbuff, I'm not putting anything you say in doubt, since I too heard of cases when people with girth expanding implants also increase in length. In relation to Elbow and Leto however it sure is weird.

Just think about it. Here you have people readily accepting the assertion of the length gain by an implant known as a girth expanding implant only, while fighting tooth and nail any claim that an implant whose sole purpose is length expansion would usually expand your penile length.

I just invite everybody who is thinking of implanting themselves with LGX to ponder this when considering their choices, and remember there are always reasons for any assertion, no matter how absurd they might sound. Just remember LGX would usually regain you only up to what you lost as a result of your penile atrophy but not more.

Also note that no LGX recipient dares to participate in this conversation. I communicate with many of them via PM and they all say that it's because they tried to argue with those guys before, many by providing their own examples, and found it to be pointless.

You are misrepresenting my position entirely. I think post-op gains with ALL implants, LGX included, are possible. What I don’t think is possible with any implant, LGX included, is expansion beyond your maximum natural pre-op size.

I'm not misrepresenting your position at all. I just consider it to be erroneous.

All implants including LGX, but to a more limited extent, can expand your penile girth. All implants would indeed customarily expand your penile length up to your natural pre-op size, but could also expand your penile length farther with each revision.
LGX on the other hand can expand your penile length up to your natural pre-atrophy size following your first placement (see the difference?), in fact even (God forbid!) beyond.

If you have any issues with what I’m saying take it up with your surgeon. LGX is the only IPP I’m considering and, if I go that route, he would be the one placing it. Most of my information and conclusions come from him and from other LGX recipients as well as from Boston Scientific website. Our last conversation focused specifically on LGX and what should be my realistic expectations in terms of likely penile length gain and likely penile girth loss.

In my case I don’t mind losing a bit of girth actually. I hope that it would finally allow me to enjoy oral sex from more than 30% of the women that I know, as it is now.

[Maxopt7]

“Meet the penis episode 57”. Paul Perito states that the titan is made from a poloymere. It will stretch in length and girth. This is the reason he has the Perito exercises to help maximize this stretch. However you are limited by your cavernosa. It has limits and if you were perhaps maxed in length and it were to stretch any you. Old have an issue with erosion. I never said it can grow your penis! And totally think that you can’t grow it past its natural length. You can however fill the space available in the cavernosa.

How about expanding to your original penile length before it started to atrophy? Maximum stretch that I see on my VED dial is much longer than what I get via stretch test. That means that your dick is fully capable of stretching as far as VED takes it. I suspect that was my length in my younger days

Now, could LGX stretch it up to this VED dial length. I suspect the answer is yes. Titan and CX and we always forget about X probably not. AX? I'm yet to come across anyone who was able to take it beyond his pre-op length.

Still, I heard more than once of Titan gaining some small bit of length over pre-op length. I don't think I ever read of CX doing that.

It’s very common to be at least a half inch short at initial inflation, this is where exercises come in. Your penis atrophys a little during your recovery time and it took me about 10 months to get back to my preop length.
VED length is very disceiving. It creates a LOT of engorgement that I think goes beyond any normal engorgement you could get naturally. Also it pulls all the slack out of your skin stretching it out past the normal tips of penis. With an implant your pushing it from inside and only getting natural engorged. Back when I was injecting and started using a VED just before implant I would always get a little over a 1/4” more with VED than even the hardest throbbing erection with injection.

Interesting, I have a question, which I am not able to get answer. so what does VED length truly indicate.
My VED length at 5 inhg pressure is 15.8 cm. Before ED started, my NBPEL was 6 inch atleast, girth 5.3 inch. now my erection (which is not fully rock hard) measures only 5x4.5 inch. Almost 1.3 inch difference. So what does it say? If I go for malleable implant surgery next year, will I be less than 5 inch? or closer to VED length? Thank you.