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Gt1956 wrote:

master1c8 wrote:

Rov999 wrote:I don't have insurance that covers an implant..I would have to pay for it myself..let's say the first implant fails in the first year..I pay $5,000 for the clinic and they replace it under warranty..I'm a very unfortunate person the second system fails after 2/3 years...I would find myself paying 48,000 dollars in 4 years...and where do I get all this money...it's madness

I'm sure that if you have that case they pay you just to keep it in secret

Please explain why they'd try to keep it a secret. Many men don't want to publicize that they have an implant. Plus generally people understand that medical things can break or wear out.
Show me a person that hasn't broken a tooth, had a dental filling fall out or broke their glasses. Things fail, the public understand that.

I live in America now, I fled Russia because of persecution. And in Russia, this operation is not covered by insurance, and its cost is about $10,000. This is crazy money for the average Russian. Patients here are divided into 2 types: either insanely rich, or people who took out a 5-year loan at incredible interest rates. Both of these types of people cannot accept the idea that there are no 100 percent guarantees in medicine

That’s what worries me about getting the implant. I’m 29 and have blue cross blue shield insurance but am very poor. If insurance don’t pay majority of the cost I couldn’t afford it

master1c8 wrote:

Gt1956 wrote:

master1c8 wrote:I'm sure that if you have that case they pay you just to keep it in secret

Please explain why they'd try to keep it a secret. Many men don't want to publicize that they have an implant. Plus generally people understand that medical things can break or wear out.
Show me a person that hasn't broken a tooth, had a dental filling fall out or broke their glasses. Things fail, the public understand that.

I live in America now, I fled Russia because of persecution. And in Russia, this operation is not covered by insurance, and its cost is about $10,000. This is crazy money for the average Russian. Patients here are divided into 2 types: either insanely rich, or people who took out a 5-year loan at incredible interest rates. Both of these types of people cannot accept the idea that there are no 100 percent guarantees in medicine

I can accept your feelings. But I think I might of already asked this. Can you please point to any medical procedure in the USA that has any kind of a warranty for a cash pay patient. Even if its a partial warranty. That is one of several reasons that health insurance is so important. It lessens the potential financial burden on a person/family.
I entered the adult workforce at 17 years old. Married with a child. I made sure that I always worked for a company that offered health insurance. Even if I didn't like the job. I can't change the realities of American healthcare. But I saw at a very early age that friends/families that didn't have health insurance had trouble accumulating wealth many times due to health issues.
For what little this might mean to you. I married into a very large family that immigrated from Europe post WWll. They quickly understood the above issues & were able to aquire homes, cars & educations for their kids. Despite being pennyless when they arrived here.

Trying to remember what my Dr told me when I asked… seems he said there would be no charge for the prosthesis or any of the parts which is about half the cost of the surgery. All Dr, anesthesiologist, hospital fees would have to be paid. That would be great if they deducted it from my out of pocket cost. But sure it would t matter as I would definitely hit the max out of pocket $2200 but still a deal if it will still be covered when I eventually need a redo.

I worked with AMS rep and urologist after One AMS tube failed to deflate (after 70 months). AMS provided new tubes under warranty. The AMS rep sent my old tubes back for failure analysis. My only cost was a copay for a night in the hospital., <$300.

BTW Recovery was faster than original implants. Told my urologist I would do it again it needed. New tubes are longer, no length lost.

Happy Camper!

If cost is a big issue, there is always the option of going to turkey and getting a rigicon inflatable.
Apparently rigicon offers lifetime warranty, even in case of infection. Also surgery cost is much much lower. There is a recent post from an italian guy that got implanted by Dr. Karaman in turkey. The doctor seems experienced. I called there and the complete cost including hotel is 6500 EUR.

indeed wrote:If cost is a big issue, there is always the option of going to turkey and getting a rigicon inflatable.
Apparently rigicon offers lifetime warranty, even in case of infection. Also surgery cost is much much lower. There is a recent post from an italian guy that got implanted by Dr. Karaman in turkey. The doctor seems experienced. I called there and the complete cost including hotel is 6500 EUR.

I don't sure, but that guy paid 9000 euro (10K dollars). Same price which I paid in Russia for Coloplast

Yes i read that. The rigicon rep on the phone quoted me 6500 though, idk why.

master1c8 wrote:

indeed wrote:If cost is a big issue, there is always the option of going to turkey and getting a rigicon inflatable.
Apparently rigicon offers lifetime warranty, even in case of infection. Also surgery cost is much much lower. There is a recent post from an italian guy that got implanted by Dr. Karaman in turkey. The doctor seems experienced. I called there and the complete cost including hotel is 6500 EUR.

I don't sure, but that guy paid 9000 euro (10K dollars). Same price which I paid in Russia for Coloplast

indeed wrote:Yes i read that. The rigicon rep on the phone quoted me 6500 though, idk why.

master1c8 wrote:

indeed wrote:If cost is a big issue, there is always the option of going to turkey and getting a rigicon inflatable.
Apparently rigicon offers lifetime warranty, even in case of infection. Also surgery cost is much much lower. There is a recent post from an italian guy that got implanted by Dr. Karaman in turkey. The doctor seems experienced. I called there and the complete cost including hotel is 6500 EUR.

I don't sure, but that guy paid 9000 euro (10K dollars). Same price which I paid in Russia for Coloplast

In that case I think that my deal better . But if my implant would broke I can't back to Russia in next 10 years

indeed wrote:Yes i read that. The rigicon rep on the phone quoted me 6500 though, idk why.

master1c8 wrote:

indeed wrote:If cost is a big issue, there is always the option of going to turkey and getting a rigicon inflatable.
Apparently rigicon offers lifetime warranty, even in case of infection. Also surgery cost is much much lower. There is a recent post from an italian guy that got implanted by Dr. Karaman in turkey. The doctor seems experienced. I called there and the complete cost including hotel is 6500 EUR.

I don't sure, but that guy paid 9000 euro (10K dollars). Same price which I paid in Russia for Coloplast

Some European countries have a Value Added Tax. Basically to Americans its like sales tax. That might explain the difference quotes in prices. Depending on the country, I think there might be a VAT on medical. Where as in America, medical doesn't get sales tax.