Theory behind benefit of aggressive cycling?

[AST2123]

I believe following Dr. Eid's instructions is what you should do. I don't think more than twice a day will make a difference. IMO, it might add to the (mileage) of your pump. For the first 6 months after my implant, I used to inflate around 30 mins twice a day, then 1 hour once a day after that (on average).

[2435tjklAS]

When someone here says they inflate for 30 mins, what does that mean? You inflate it to the max and keep it there for 30 minutes? Or you keep cycling it inflate/deflate over a 30 minute time frame?

[newbie443]

What is “long pump adding cycling”?

Long as in up to an hour. Pump adding is just that. After waiting 5 minutes or so add more pumps if you can. Then wait another 5 or so and add again and repeat until session is complete. You need to be fully healed before doing this. Or have your doctors approval. If this causes pain you should stop. What you are looking for is to pump until you feel stretching. When the stretching feeling reduces or goes away add more pumps or partial pumps until you feel the stretching again.

[2435tjklAS]

Are you positive about long pumping? I think i was doing that but not on purpose earlier - I'd keep pumping over and over and over with the goal of making my dick bigger (obv) but I was confused why after so long the pump became soft. I talked to my patient liaison lady and she explained how there's a feedback loop for when you hit resistance and it won't transfer anymore fluid. The implant is designed that way because if you could pump forever you'd overstretch the tunica which would thin it out and lead to an erosion or extrusion of the device.

She described it being like a balloon, you can only blow it up so much until it reaches its limit.

At the same time, though, what I was doing kinda seemed to work. Like that's when I'd take my measurements that are afaik my biggest sizes so far, meaning I hit resistance but eventually could pump more (or something). Is that why you say to wait 5 minutes? Hit resistance and then wait 5 minutes and pump again?

Know what I mean? Has a doctor or somewhere confirmed long pumping is an effective exercise?

[oldbeek]

Well, my 700lgx was pumped up to 80% for 4 solid weeks. Hurt like hell. When I was cleared for use, I pumped it to 90% every day, for an hour, for a year. I was back to full length at 2 months after operation.

[newbie443]

Are you positive about long pumping? I think i was doing that but not on purpose earlier - I'd keep pumping over and over and over with the goal of making my dick bigger (obv) but I was confused why after so long the pump became soft. I talked to my patient liaison lady and she explained how there's a feedback loop for when you hit resistance and it won't transfer anymore fluid. The implant is designed that way because if you could pump forever you'd overstretch the tunica which would thin it out and lead to an erosion or extrusion of the device.

She described it being like a balloon, you can only blow it up so much until it reaches its limit.

At the same time, though, what I was doing kinda seemed to work. Like that's when I'd take my measurements that are afaik my biggest sizes so far, meaning I hit resistance but eventually could pump more (or something). Is that why you say to wait 5 minutes? Hit resistance and then wait 5 minutes and pump again?

Know what I mean? Has a doctor or somewhere confirmed long pumping is an effective exercise?

This was outlined by another member years ago. And there was some who did not like it. The reason to wait to heal fully is that there are stiches inside and the incision in the tunica must heal or it can tear open. There have been members on this site where this has happened and the cylinders have come out of the corpora and have had infection. And we have different tunica health so this is why your doctor has much more info on if you can try this. As well as knowing how well the stitches were done. I have not seen a medical publication on this but it may be out there in a small note of a related paper. There is documentation of longer OAL cylinders being placed in men with revisions after years of cycling the first implant.

Yes there is a bypass valve in the pump to prevent over pumping. Bypass pumps feel different from regular pumps as you say softer. No use in pumping by pass pumps. But after 5 minutes or so if the tissue and implant cylinder stretch a bit the pressure in the cylinders will reduce and more real pumps or partial pumps can be done.

As far as damage this is why you stop if you have pain. You are looking to stretch back some of the size loss caused by ED.

In regard to leaving the cylinders for a long time. This is no different than a long sex session. Unlike VED use that traps blood in the penis the cylinder inflation has no limits like the VED dose. So long inflation can be done once healing permits With VED therapy there are different opinions about how long to leave vacuum in place. This is where some say to pump until your penis lifts off the VED cylinder wall and then release all vacuum. And some say to maintain 4-5 inhg for a period of time to get the stretching like you get with long inflations (pump adding as you are maintaining the same max pressure the same as maintaining the same vacuum inhg). As VED use for sex is instructed for only 20 minutes or so several times a week. And slow pumping is cautioned as blood vessels can be damaged there is a lot of differences between VED use post op and long pump adding inflations. This is why some do not favor VED use post until more research is done and a solid protocol for use is put out.

[AST2123]

When someone here says they inflate for 30 mins, what does that mean? You inflate it to the max and keep it there for 30 minutes? Or you keep cycling it inflate/deflate over a 30 minute time frame?

Pumping up to max only takes around 2 minutes, then keeping it up for 30 mins.

[crazyjoe]

Thank you very much to the guys who responded to my question. It's a lot to sort out -- my initial takeaway (check me if I'm wrong) is a strong consensus on the value of aggressive cycling -- with generally lengthy times inflated -- and the jury is out on the value/safety of post-op VED.
There are some impressive results cited in studies of length/girth gains but science or not, it just makes sense and there's nothing to lose.
I'm in the middle of a half hour cycle right now -- multitasking

[newbie443]

Thank you very much to the guys who responded to my question. It's a lot to sort out -- my initial takeaway (check me if I'm wrong) is a strong consensus on the value of aggressive cycling -- with generally lengthy times inflated -- and the jury is out on the value/safety of post-op VED.
There are some impressive results cited in studies of length/girth gains but science or not, it just makes sense and there's nothing to lose.
I'm in the middle of a half hour cycle right now -- multitasking

Going in reverse order in that there is something to lose. First of all infection can occur anytime but is most common in the first year post surgery. The risk decreases the farther you get from your surgery date and at 1 year stays at the same basic very rare rate. That is why you should follow your doctors instructions and then after you are fully healed and released you can decide if you want to risk trying either of these. So do your best to follow your cycling protocol and not miss any cycling work.


My first doctor was not a fan of VED pre surgery for regaining size and I do not think your doctor is much either or at least was not 4 years ago when I was checking IIRC. And neither is the well known Florida doctor who was added to a paper done in Europe on VED use post surgery. VED use traps blood in the penis. So no continues flow of blood is maintained. This is why VED use for sex is advised for several times a week for 20 minutes each. You are effectively putting a tourniquet on your penis. And you need to be very careful as even low vacuum applied to fast can cause damage that can result in size loss. These risks are why I think many doctors do not recommend this as men may over do this trying to regain lost size. And doctors recommend stopping VED use 1 week prior to surgery. In the paper done in Europe on VED post surgery there were many questions. The first thing that jumped out at me was all of the vary low number of men in the study received AMS LGX devices. The Florida has doctor been a strong supporter of Coloplast in the past and vary critical of AMS. Second that jumped out at me was average activation was 8 days post surgery. This would support the Coffin Effect" paper about early activation reducing size loss. Third there was no published protocol for VED use post surgery. Fourth was there any surgical requirements for this as in incision location or wound closing to permit VED use recently after surgery.

Having read a number of post over the years it is my understanding is that for those who used VED post surgery size was regained quicker than aggressive cycling. Not sure how much quicker as some men report fast returns to size with normal cycling alone. Just a general feeling I have from the posts I have read.

This would be something to discuss with your doctor and do your own research on. There may be something your doctor knows about you that would say yes or no to one or the other of these.

[Craigohbig]

When someone here says they inflate for 30 mins, what does that mean? You inflate it to the max and keep it there for 30 minutes? Or you keep cycling it inflate/deflate over a 30 minute time frame?

Pumping up to max only takes around 2 minutes, then keeping it up for 30 mins.

If you’re bulb isn’t flattening, you aren’t pumping to the max