LetoMan wrote:2435tjklAS wrote:It bothers me that "losing size" is such a common (and misleading) statement about implants and I can't tell who understands what's accurate.
Like I’ve said before, implants are like Schroedinger’s cat: according to guys in this forum, implants are simultaneously making our dicks smaller AND bigger!
But when you look at the actual scientific evidence, when properly sized and after a cycling protocol of a year or so, they basically just get us back to the size we were pre-implant.
After a year or so the size is significantly larger than pre-implant. Why? Because "pre-implant" means pre-VED. The patient is often some dude in his 60s with so much fibrosis in his impotent penis that his very weak "erections" are inches less than they were in his good ole days. What you're saying might be right if you are analyzing a group of old dudes who have used VEDs to fully treat or heal their fibrosis then used their post-implant size but practically hardly anyone has done that.
Most impotent 60 year olds don't feel motivated to use a VED 3 times a week for 20 or 30 minutes. But when they start seeking an implant the evidence is very clear quite literally and cited by countless experts that VEDs are necessary to allow surgeons to have space required to match patients with the true size of their penis from its days back as a horny 22-year old. Evidence: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=18561&p=169469#p169469
You said pre-implants is the same size as post implant. It's not:
Pre-implant baseline was 14cm. Post was 17cm, or 1.18 inches. Also....THIS IS IMPORTANT....
That stupid study only had the patients use VED therapy for 6 months and they didn't do shit for the next 6 months, which other evidence claims is the strongest timeframe for when real gains occur, and then they measured them after a year:
“...after 1 year of follow-up from AMS™LGX700® penile prosthesis implant with 6 months of vacuum erectile device therapy.”
“Postoperatively, patients were assigned vacuum device therapy for 5 min twice daily. Follow-up continued for 1 year after surgery.”
This long discussion I had with Discovernew where I didn't discover it was only 6 months of therapy after: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=26381&start=30
You said: "when you look at the actual scientific evidence, when properly sized and after a cycling protocol of a year or so, they basically just get us back to the size we were pre-implant."
Link your sources. Good luck.
Conclusion: merely looking at implants as a way for most patients to heal fibrosis already creates significant evidence that VEDs and implants increase the current size of your penis. Certain devices like the LGX that have proven stretch capabilities increases it even further.
