"Length definitely will not improve"

[Buckbuff]

6.5 to 7.25..and 3/4 to 1 inch thicker also..not bone pressed either.

[splitpeach]

6.5 to 7.25..and 3/4 to 1 inch thicker also..not bone pressed either.

What's the story and equipment?

[LetoMan]

There are a lot of studies. Like I said, a number of good ones show gains of less than a cm for different ipps. The ones that show modest gains tend to be ones where participants were instructed to cycle. The study you cite shows that on average guys lost length with the LGX, so I’m not sure what the point is : “All subjects showed increases in penile circumference and width. Overall, there was a slight decrease in stretched penile length, likely due to postoperative fibrotic changes, lack of glans tumescence, denervation atrophy, hypoxia, apoptosis of penile erectile tissue, capsular contraction, or a combination of these entities.”

The thread you provided was discussing how the LGX is designed to expand lengthwise, and does so in laboratory conditions. But it does not say anything about actually expanding penis size.

I’m not gonna read some random blog.

My understanding from several years of reading this here site is that the LGX does a good job of fighting against certain conditions that might lead to shrinkage. But the data is pretty consistent in showing that LGX’s are not really any better at expanding dick length than the other implants (which is not at all).

But, I grow weary of debating this with guys that don’t really know what they are talking about. Clavell knows infinitely more about this than you or I, and there is your answer. If you want to do the whole “do your own research, sheeple” routine, be my guest. But the fact remains there is virtually zero scientific evidence that implants are making dudes dicks longer than what they were pre implant.

[splitpeach]

There are a lot of studies. Like I said, a number of good ones show gains of less than a cm for different ipps. The ones that show modest gains tend to be ones where participants were instructed to cycle. The study you cite shows that on average guys lost length with the LGX, so I’m not sure what the point is : “All subjects showed increases in penile circumference and width. Overall, there was a slight decrease in stretched penile length, likely due to postoperative fibrotic changes, lack of glans tumescence, denervation atrophy, hypoxia, apoptosis of penile erectile tissue, capsular contraction, or a combination of these entities.”

The thread you provided was discussing how the LGX is designed to expand lengthwise, and does so in laboratory conditions. But it does not say anything about actually expanding penis size.

I’m not gonna read some random blog.

My understanding from several years of reading this here site is that the LGX does a good job of fighting against certain conditions that might lead to shrinkage. But the data is pretty consistent in showing that LGX’s are not really any better at expanding dick length than the other implants (which is not at all).

But, I grow weary of debating this with guys that don’t really know what they are talking about. Clavell knows infinitely more about this than you or I, and there is your answer. If you want to do the whole “do your own research, sheeple” routine, be my guest. But the fact remains there is virtually zero scientific evidence that implants are making dudes dicks longer than what they were pre implant.

I have to say, this is pretty much what Ralph told me in my first consultation with him. The length expanding implants are just all marketing. Makes sense to me, otherwise, unless undersized they would cause erosion.

[whatevery]

ok

[2435tjklAS]

My understanding from several years of reading this here site is that the LGX does a good job of fighting against certain conditions that might lead to shrinkage. But the data is pretty consistent in showing that LGX’s are not really any better at expanding dick length than the other implants (which is not at all).

Can you post a few studies, or anonymous reports, or literally anything, that claims other types of IPPs having expansion capabilities to the same degree as LGX? My quick research confirmed that there are a few more...but they were also products of Boston Scientific.

If you're going to make the rest of the argument, you going to choose to ignore the details and clarifications I posted early in this post?
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=28225#p273029

About laboratory conditions and actual expanding...

You do understand what expansion means?

It means if you stick an IPP without expansion (which seems to be literally every IPP anywhere except from Boston Scientific) in a 6.5" dick, with proper implant sized and exercise during recover, your penis is gonna end up being about 6.5". If you were implanted with an AMS 700 LGX, that device can get to 6.5" then expand your size when fully inflated. After getting there, they made it to where if you fill it up with saline it stretches out and brings your dick with it - generally around 1cm, 2cm, or 3cm larger. It takes us all a lot of practice (cycling, VEDs, Perito's THE exercise) to accomplish this. Because it's like any other body part. Keep stretching it and it'll expand. But quit for a long time and you no longer can.

That's the entire point of Boston Scientific, and it says so in its "marketing". The AMS LGX 700 is capable of expanding the length of the penis:



Does that mean it makes your dick bigger?

God no. It doesn't make your tunica longer. If you removed the LGX, it would drop back to its original size. If you got a different implant that doesn't have expansion, it won't reach its highest numbers anymore (mine reached 9.5" with LGX but after switching to Titan 9" is the highest I can measure, and the Titan being so much more rigid makes me think that's why it's too much of a rock to expand, when AMS was loose and capable).

Also, do you feel like ignoring the photographic evidence of my penis measurements linked in my signature of my size increasing by about 2cm after a year of recovery? With max arousal and with stretched flaccid I went from 8.75" to 9.5".

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17292&start=20#p235918

But, I grow weary of debating this with guys that don’t really know what they are talking about. Clavell knows infinitely more about this than you or I, and there is your answer. If you want to do the whole “do your own research, sheeple” routine, be my guest. But the fact remains there is virtually zero scientific evidence that implants are making dudes dicks longer than what they were pre implant.

About Clavell, I have to ask - was he one of the many surgeons who told you all to cycle for 15 minutes a day after getting your implant? And everyone took it literally, which led to 20 years of beliefs that implants causing loss size was inevitable?

That's because you need to understand how doctor's perspective is not what you think it is. If Clavell were to tell every patient, "yes, if you pay me to give you an implant, it will get you hard and also make your dick bigger!!!!" Doctors don't say that because it's a liability, and the one thing most every doctor anywhere focuses the most on is avoiding malpractice. Why else do they not say that? Because they don't give a shit about the size of your dick. It's not medically relevant. They want to enable you to get erect, have sex, not get an infection and not have the device break. That's about it.

(Note: Dr. Hakky did tell me about size increases with Titan, and also confirmed that with every replacement you can keep increasing your size more and more. Maybe Hakky isn't a baby paranoid of malpractice like ~90% of medical professionals. Founding and running the private practice of Atlanta Cosmetic Urology might have something to do with his different perspective.)

Dr. Clavell being so confident in saying LGX won't make your dick bigger doesn't impress me and I wish he were more capable of understanding what's actually important to his patients. He's gonna stick with strictly science and never stop the argument that "implants won't make your dick bigger" than he's just continuing the fear most men with real ED problems have in failing to get treatment, all caused by him not considering decribing what "expansion" means to patients.

[LetoMan]

Doctors don't say that because it's a liability, and the one thing most every doctor anywhere focuses the most on is avoiding malpractice.

Doctor’s don’t say it because it is not true and there is no evidence of it; the liability stems from telling a patient something that is untrue.

On the other hand, Clavell and others DO say that implants could make your dick thicker. They say that because it’s true, and there is evidence of it.

Like I said, there is too much quackery on this site.

[RigiconDownUnder]

Length definitely will not improve? Very encouraging news. Thank you!

[ColoplastTitanUpOver]

In the soft glow of our bedroom, I looked at my sweetheart with the same deep longing I had carried for years. Time and health had quietly dimmed the passionate fire we once shared so freely. When I chose a Titan, the surgeon explained it would be sized to honor my body’s natural measure, not to promise dramatic lengthening, but to restore the intimacy our love deserved.

At first, the mirror brought a whisper of doubt. The familiar shape felt slightly different, the tip softer without nature’s full blush. Yet as weeks gently turned to months, something beautiful began to unfold. With daily tender cycling, my body responded like a garden awakening to spring rain. The tissues softened and stretched, quietly reclaiming their space.

One evening, as candlelight danced across our skin, I held her close. What returned was not a grand new length, but a confident, warm firmness that let our bodies speak the old, cherished language of desire once more. She smiled against my chest, whispering that she felt me, truly me, deeper in every sense.

Our intimacy bloomed not from dramatic change, but from a renewed, heartfelt connection.

In each shared breath and tender rhythm, we rediscovered that love’s deepest pleasure often lies in presence, not perfection. And in that gentle truth, we fell in love all over again.

What this world and ED sufferers need is love, not length. God bless these implants, they restore the strength. Forget the length.