"Length definitely will not improve"

[LetoMan]

It would be irresponsible and frankly a little foolish for a surgeon to get a patient excited at the prospect of increasing size. Can it happen? Maybe under certain circumstances.

I’m not sure what those circumstances would be. In an implanted guy the size of their erect dick is dependent on the size of the implant that was put in them. That in turn is the size of their corpora cavernosa as measured on the operating table. The size of your corpora at that time is the limiting factor in the size of the implant, and the size of the implant is the limiting factor on your dick size.

What we perceive as “loss in size” following implantation and “gaining in size” during cycling is really just the implant and our anatomy getting used to each other. Nothing changes physically during that period… your corpora remains the same length, as does the implant.

What accounts for the massive amount of hand wringing over size is men’s *perceptions* of what their size once was or should be. Whether you perceive your dick as gaining or shrinking post implantation (once it has had a chance to settle in, of course) is purely a matter of perception, because your corpora and the implant *do not change*. All the actual studies on this show men largely are the same size before and after, with some showing modest losses and some (notably ones where subjects underwent a cycling protocol) showing modest gains. But we are talking about less than a centimeter either way, usually significantly less.

To be clear, we are only talking about length. There is good evidence implants can increase girth with cycling.

[whatevery]

It would be irresponsible and frankly a little foolish for a surgeon to get a patient excited at the prospect of increasing size. Can it happen? Maybe under certain circumstances.

I’m not sure what those circumstances would be. There is good evidence implants can increase girth with cycling.

I don't think I talked to a single LGX recipient on FT whose length didn't increase in relation to his pre-op length, some significantly so. There are other reasons why some doctors shy away from LGX but inability to improve one's length can't be one of them. LGX does little in terms of girth however. Other implants seem to do the exact opposite. At least that seem to be my experience on franktalk.

[LetoMan]

I don't think I talked to a single LGX recipient on FT whose length didn't increase in relation to his pre-op length, some significantly so. There are other reasons why some doctors shy away from LGX but inability to improve one's length can't be one of them. LGX does little in terms of girth however. Other implants seem to do the exact opposite. At least that seem to be my experience on franktalk.

I’ll admit that I don’t know enough about the LGX to have as strong of an opinion on this. Obviously in clinical trials they established that it can expand in size, or they wouldn’t be able to make the marketing claim. But the data on this still shows in practice that most guys with a LGX get a centimeter or less, which seems to be in line with studies regarding the CX and titan, too. While the LGX cylinders can theoretically expand lengthwise, the size of the tunica surrounding the corpus cavernosa is still a limiting factor. Which leads to a pedestrian view that the LGX may mostly be marketing claims rather than realistically better at increasing the size of your penis.

What guys say on franktalk is subject to the same dynamic as to what guys say when talking about the size of their dicks anywhere else: guys are wildly unreliable.

But there are reasons why guys think it’s bigger. Personally, my dick feels a lot bigger than it was before, but realistically that’s because it is actually rock hard and fully extended, which was not true of my pre implant dick except when I used a VED.

Don’t take my word for it. This thread starts off with a video of Clavell flatly stating that there are no length gains. I’d take that guy’s view any day over anyone else’s. Whatever guys are reporting, it simply does not show up in the data!

(I’ll also note how much inflatable implants are “Schroedinger’s implants”. Depending on who you are talking to, they are either responsible for making everyone’s dicks bigger, or everyone’s dicks smaller. Meanwhile the data pretty consistently shows that neither is true.)

[edjohn]

IMHO the length study is interesting not only because it found that Titan implants also can improve length but because the changes were not sudden as one would expect from recovering lost length due to atrophy or the semi-inflated recovery period. The gains continued up to 24 months, telling me at least some of it is gradual training of the connective tissue with proper stretching. Add in the fact that surgeons say revisions often require 1-2 cm longer devices and I can’t agree there is no new length being added.

[whatevery]

I don't think I talked to a single LGX recipient on FT whose length didn't increase in relation to his pre-op length, some significantly so. There are other reasons why some doctors shy away from LGX but inability to improve one's length can't be one of them. LGX does little in terms of girth however. Other implants seem to do the exact opposite. At least that seem to be my experience on franktalk.

I’ll admit that I don’t know enough about the LGX to have as strong of an opinion on this. Obviously in clinical trials they established that it can expand in size, or they wouldn’t be able to make the marketing claim. But the data on this still shows in practice that most guys with a LGX get a centimeter or less, which seems to be in line with studies regarding the CX and titan, too. While the LGX cylinders can theoretically expand lengthwise, the size of the tunica surrounding the corpus cavernosa is still a limiting factor. Which leads to a pedestrian view that the LGX may mostly be marketing claims rather than realistically better at increasing the size of your penis.

What guys say on franktalk is subject to the same dynamic as to what guys say when talking about the size of their dicks anywhere else: guys are wildly unreliable.

But there are reasons why guys think it’s bigger. Personally, my dick feels a lot bigger than it was before, but realistically that’s because it is actually rock hard and fully extended, which was not true of my pre implant dick except when I used a VED.

Don’t take my word for it. This thread starts off with a video of Clavell flatly stating that there are no length gains. I’d take that guy’s view any day over anyone else’s. Whatever guys are reporting, it simply does not show up in the data!

(I’ll also note how much inflatable implants are “Schroedinger’s implants”. Depending on who you are talking to, they are either responsible for making everyone’s dicks bigger, or everyone’s dicks smaller. Meanwhile the data pretty consistently shows that neither is true.)

I respectfully disagree. I did some serious research on this. I did multiple Show and Tells with recipients of every IPP currently on the market I spoke to way too many LGX recipients on FT not to be able to confirm what Boston Scientific claims on its website.

In 2021 one gentleman started with 4.5" and now is approaching 7". Inches not cm. That's a huge difference in my book. There is a very popular LGX recipient here who just revised to another implant for the girth sake (LGX doesn't give you much extra girth, if any) who several times told me that with his first implant he gained 1.9". Again inches, not cm. In early June I will have a virtual appointment with surgeon for both of them so I will ask him to comment on this. I had two more S&Ts with members whose length improved 0.5 inch in 1 year. There were at least 3 more than I spoke to, maybe more. Only one didn't acquire length, admittedly because he didn't cycle much.

In regards to Clavell. Clavell notoriously shies away from LGX. I had a virtual appointment with him. What a lovely guy! Clavell is a total class act and we all owe him a lot for his YouTube clips! When I asked him however when did he install LGX last he chuckled: "Oh, years ago!" From what I understand Clavell wouldn't implant LGX unless you're really get on top of him about that, and even then he probably would refuse. Sort of like Eid. Both great surgeons, great implanters but many doctors don't trust LGX apparently because they consider it soft, not rigid enough.

Only one of the LGX recipients that I interacted complained of his implant rigidity, the same one that didn't gain any length admittedly due to cycling much. What I gathered from my interviews of both doctors and post-ops is that doctor can only implant you. The rest is 95% on you, especially with LGX. You work on your dick more, you should get better results. You work less... well you know.

From I gathered from reading and talking to Titan and CX recipients on this forum they too could gain modest amount of length, like 0.5cm, 1cm at the most. Their girths however would often expand significantly. LGX is the exact opposite.

If, as you say, guys are widely unreliable when talking about their dicks (which is of so true!) then on this forum it applies to nearly all LGX recipients, in addition to what Boston Scientific claims on its website.

Doctors know only what they see from their patients, many of whom they actually lose touch with after initial stages of implantation. I think with some instruments, like cocks, users on this forum are privy to a much wider range of experiences and outcomes than any individual implanter in the country, and that includes Clavell, Levine, Hakky and all other stars out there.

I don't impose my opinion on anybody, but this is the impression I got from very intense private interactions with many honorable members on this forum as well as from interviewing 7 doctors. I have at least 4, maybe 6 more to go before I settle on my implanter. In some things I can be very thorough, in fact as one doctor can attest at times too much so

[whatevery]

Fuck clavell for being such a negative clown....search for a H!gH vOLUme DIDdYCATED surgeon who will definitely reassure you.
I started with 6" post op and my whore wife rediculed my size and threatened she will sleep with the african american soccer coach of our great grandchildren..I cried alot and ran to my H!gH vOLUme DIDdYCATEd surgeon and he reassured me...If I do perito exercise, do ALOT of VEDing and alot of traction, my size gonna surpass that of the soccer jerk..I turned into a high volume dedicated VED pumper...and guess what!! I'm fucking both my whore granny wifey and the soccer coach with my reliable 15" bionic weapon.

It's fucking simple...If you don't like a negative surgeon's opinion, don't just walk out from the clinic..RUN!...while if he's a H!gH vOLUme DIDdYCATEd surgeon with positive consultations, give him a blowjob and don't just asskiss him...sniff that damn thiiing

No no no! I don't think Clavell was negative at all! In fact, he was very positive, very encouraging. A total class act! He just basically said that for all practical purposes, he didn't implant LGX or at least tried not to. I sure appreciated his honesty and still think very highly of him, both as a surgeon and as a human being. The same with Eid actually. I'd have no problems being implanted by either of them if I were to decide to be implanted with CX or Titan which with my current situation I think is unlikely. Unless I decide to include auxetics of course. Then we'll see.

PS. Oh, I just saw your signature and your other posts. Got it! Not even a high school graduate yet and is already implanted. Sad.

[edjohn]

Not even a high school graduate yet and is already implanted. Sad.

It's just a troll. Careful not to feed it.

[whatevery]

Yea, I figured that after I already wrote the response. Thanks edjohn. That's why the PS at the end.

[LetoMan]

I respectfully disagree.

And I’ll respectfully go with the peer-reviewed studies published in medical journals by experts in the field and not the anonymous guy who talked to some other anonymous guys, who are at best comparing apples and oranges!

I’m sorry, but this site has too much quackery.

[whatevery]

Which peer-review studies are talking about just out of curiosity?

This is a 2018 NIH study: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6337945/

Also this viewtopic.php?t=14659.

And this basically summarizes my understanding of the differences between implants.
https://www.vigortheblog.com/vigor-mens ... -coloplast

I'm pasting paragraph more relevant to what we're talking about:
Length and Girth Expansion – One of the most important aspects of the conversation that you should have with your surgeon is expectations in terms of length and girth after the surgery. Most use a surrogate called stretch penile length to help estimate post-operative length with the implant fully inflated. This is to help with realistic expectations with the penile implant. Every patient will get custom sized at the time of surgery and experienced surgeons will “upsize” 1-2 cm if appropriate. The AMS 700 LGX device is designed for both length and girth expansion. The AMS 700 CX device is designed for controlled expansion and does not expand length wise. This is important in men that have penile curvature, as a CX device would be the preferred option, otherwise an LGX over time would actually worsen penile curvature. The Titan only has girth expansion. The Titan is a great option for men with severe fibrosis, penile curvature, or larger penile stretch length. It has slightly better axial rigidity in my opinion compared to AMS devices, especially at larger cylinder sizes.

Yep, that's about how I understand differences between the 3 IPP devices. There is more. All basically saying the same thing. All one has to do is just google "does lgx grow length wise?" You get ample amount of information.