"Length definitely will not improve"

[LetoMan]

It would be irresponsible and frankly a little foolish for a surgeon to get a patient excited at the prospect of increasing size. Can it happen? Maybe under certain circumstances.

I’m not sure what those circumstances would be. In an implanted guy the size of their erect dick is dependent on the size of the implant that was put in them. That in turn is the size of their corpora cavernosa as measured on the operating table. The size of your corpora at that time is the limiting factor in the size of the implant, and the size of the implant is the limiting factor on your dick size.

What we perceive as “loss in size” following implantation and “gaining in size” during cycling is really just the implant and our anatomy getting used to each other. Nothing changes physically during that period… your corpora remains the same length, as does the implant.

What accounts for the massive amount of hand wringing over size is men’s *perceptions* of what their size once was or should be. Whether you perceive your dick as gaining or shrinking post implantation (once it has had a chance to settle in, of course) is purely a matter of perception, because your corpora and the implant *do not change*. All the actual studies on this show men largely are the same size before and after, with some showing modest losses and some (notably ones where subjects underwent a cycling protocol) showing modest gains. But we are talking about less than a centimeter either way, usually significantly less.

To be clear, we are only talking about length. There is good evidence implants can increase girth with cycling.

[whatevery]

It would be irresponsible and frankly a little foolish for a surgeon to get a patient excited at the prospect of increasing size. Can it happen? Maybe under certain circumstances.

I’m not sure what those circumstances would be. There is good evidence implants can increase girth with cycling.

I don't think I talked to a single LGX recipient on FT whose length didn't increase in relation to his pre-op length, some significantly so. There are other reasons why some doctors shy away from LGX but inability to improve one's length can't be one of them. LGX does little in terms of girth however. Other implants seem to do the exact opposite. At least that seem to be my experience on franktalk.

[LetoMan]

I don't think I talked to a single LGX recipient on FT whose length didn't increase in relation to his pre-op length, some significantly so. There are other reasons why some doctors shy away from LGX but inability to improve one's length can't be one of them. LGX does little in terms of girth however. Other implants seem to do the exact opposite. At least that seem to be my experience on franktalk.

I’ll admit that I don’t know enough about the LGX to have as strong of an opinion on this. Obviously in clinical trials they established that it can expand in size, or they wouldn’t be able to make the marketing claim. But the data on this still shows in practice that most guys with a LGX get a centimeter or less, which seems to be in line with studies regarding the CX and titan, too. While the LGX cylinders can theoretically expand lengthwise, the size of the tunica surrounding the corpus cavernosa is still a limiting factor. Which leads to a pedestrian view that the LGX may mostly be marketing claims rather than realistically better at increasing the size of your penis.

What guys say on franktalk is subject to the same dynamic as to what guys say when talking about the size of their dicks anywhere else: guys are wildly unreliable.

But there are reasons why guys think it’s bigger. Personally, my dick feels a lot bigger than it was before, but realistically that’s because it is actually rock hard and fully extended, which was not true of my pre implant dick except when I used a VED.

Don’t take my word for it. This thread starts off with a video of Clavell flatly stating that there are no length gains. I’d take that guy’s view any day over anyone else’s. Whatever guys are reporting, it simply does not show up in the data!

(I’ll also note how much inflatable implants are “Schroedinger’s implants”. Depending on who you are talking to, they are either responsible for making everyone’s dicks bigger, or everyone’s dicks smaller. Meanwhile the data pretty consistently shows that neither is true.)

[edjohn]

IMHO the length study is intended not only because it found that Titan implants also can improve length but because the changes were not sudden as one would expect from recovering lost length due to atrophy or the semi-inflated recovery period. The gains continued up to 24 months, telling me at least some of it is gradual training of the connective tissue with proper stretching. Add in the fact that surgeons say revisions often require 1-2 cm longer devices and I can’t agree there is no new length being added.