Third Surgery in 6 Months

[Jsmith194589]

Hi JSmith, I am sorry to hear about that. You are the first person I have heard about that has had a similar situation. I lost 1.5" after my first surgery 3 years ago. I got a revision 9 months ago and lost another inch and there is kinking and bunching causing it to be deformed. I wish you the best and hope to hear that you are progressing well!

Hey mate. I went back and read a few of your posts, and it really does sound like our experiences are very similar. The only explanation that makes sense to me is that the additional scar tissue from having two surgeries is limiting how much the tunica can expand to the full length of our implants.

I don’t believe I was undersized, nor do I think this was due to poor surgical technique as he’s the highest-volume surgeon in my region. In hindsight, I think there’s a good chance I may have regained the initial length loss with more time and consistent cycling, but now I’m less confident, as there’s more ground to make up.

As for the tubing at the base, I can’t tell yet whether it’s been fully resolved since I’m still in hospital and bandaged up. I did consider whether I could just live with it, but I know it would be quite noticeable during oral sex, which ultimately pushed me to address it. My surgeon mentioned he relocated the pump further down in my scrotum which should cause the tubing to be less noticeable. Unfortunately, this means I can’t cycle for at least 2 weeks.

[LetoMan]

After my first surgery, I lost roughly an inch in length.

Jsmith, what was your bone-pressed size prior to the first implant, and what is your size now?

The size of your implant is the best predictor of what will EVENTUALLY be your length. Most guys wind up with 2/3 to 3/4 of their total implant size showing distal. The variation is mostly dependent on crus depth.

Your new implant RTEs are .5 and 1 cm longer than your prior implant. I don’t know if that difference is due to how the AX is sized relative to the X, or what. But presumably you will wind up with that extra length.

But you also probably would have would up with that size (minus the RTE difference) if you had simply given the original equipment time to adjust. It takes a while for the implant to fully extend itself, often up to a year.

[Jsmith194589]

After my first surgery, I lost roughly an inch in length.

Jsmith, what was your bone-pressed size prior to the first implant, and what is your size now?

The size of your implant is the best predictor of what will EVENTUALLY be your length. Most guys wind up with 2/3 to 3/4 of their total implant size showing distal. The variation is mostly dependent on crus depth.

Your new implant RTEs are .5 and 1 cm longer than your prior implant. I don’t know if that difference is due to how the AX is sized relative to the X, or what. But presumably you will wind up with that extra length.

But you also probably would have would up with that size (minus the RTE difference) if you had simply given the original equipment time to adjust. It takes a while for the implant to fully extend itself, often up to a year.

Hey LetoMan. Before surgery, I was just over 6” BPL with about 6.5” girth. After my first surgery, my best measured length at 3 months was around 5.5” BPL. In hindsight, I now realise I probably would’ve regained another 0.5–1” with more time and consistent cycling.

At the moment, I’m measuring closer to 4.5–5” BPL despite having a length-expanding model, and my girth is noticeably reduced as well (I haven’t even bothered measuring it). I also need to take a two-week break from cycling, which I’m really hoping won’t negatively affect my long-term length.

[LetoMan]

Jsmith, thanks for the data. My pedestrian opinion is that you are likely to get back to 6 inches length, and probably a bit more. You have 23.5 cm with a supposedly length-expanding model. When you were measured, it accommodated that size… if all you are showing now is 4.5 to 5 inches, then unless you have an unusually deep crus, there is a significant portion of your implant that is simply not appearing. You need to give your body time to let it settle in.

I think one of the biggest misconceptions guys have around here is that cycling somehow makes your dick grow. But that’s not what is happening. Your dick grows because the implant reaches its full extension. Cycling is helping it on that path, and preventing a surgical capsule from hardening around it that would stop that extension. Some of the reasons why it is not reaching full extension yet is because pliability of the tissues may be keeping it from doing so, either because of lack of flexibility in the tunica or swelling from surgery or some other reason. It also may just be bunched up and not fully extending just yet. But it CAN reach full extension, and the reason you should know it can is because the doc stretched you that far during surgery without tearing your tunica.

I seem to have a deep crus, but within the range I described above. I am fairly similar to you. I have 24 total cm of implant. I was 4.75 inches a few months after implantation. Another brother who came before did the math and predicted that a year later I would be 6-7 inches. And fuck me if he wasn’t right. I wasn’t playing close attention, but a year later I measured a bit over 6, up to 6.25 depending on glans engorgement.

As for girth, this will also take some time. But you are probably likely to get at least close to your prior size. I’m not as familiar with reports about the Rigicon, but presuming it has the physical capacity to reach that girth, and that your tunica is also capable of expanding to that girth (which presumably is true if it could immediately prior to implant), then you should get there.

It just takes time. Often up to a year.

I wish we could send newly implanted guys a welcome packet that told them to chill out and give it time. You still have a whole lot of implant that has yet to appear. Chill out and give it time!

Be well,
Leto

[Jsmith194589]

Jsmith, thanks for the data. My pedestrian opinion is that you are likely to get back to 6 inches length, and probably a bit more. You have 23.5 cm with a supposedly length-expanding model. When you were measured, it accommodated that size… if all you are showing now is 4.5 to 5 inches, then unless you have an unusually deep crus, there is a significant portion of your implant that is simply not appearing. You need to give your body time to let it settle in.

I think one of the biggest misconceptions guys have around here is that cycling somehow makes your dick grow. But that’s not what is happening. Your dick grows because the implant reaches its full extension. Cycling is helping it on that path, and preventing a surgical capsule from hardening around it that would stop that extension. Some of the reasons why it is not reaching full extension yet is because pliability of the tissues may be keeping it from doing so, either because of lack of flexibility in the tunica or swelling from surgery or some other reason. It also may just be bunched up and not fully extending just yet. But it CAN reach full extension, and the reason you should know it can is because the doc stretched you that far during surgery without tearing your tunica.

I seem to have a deep crus, but within the range I described above. I am fairly similar to you. I have 24 total cm of implant. I was 4.75 inches a few months after implantation. Another brother who came before did the math and predicted that a year later I would be 6-7 inches. And fuck me if he wasn’t right. I wasn’t playing close attention, but a year later I measured a bit over 6, up to 6.25 depending on glans engorgement.

As for girth, this will also take some time. But you are probably likely to get at least close to your prior size. I’m not as familiar with reports about the Rigicon, but presuming it has the physical capacity to reach that girth, and that your tunica is also capable of expanding to that girth (which presumably is true if it could immediately prior to implant), then you should get there.

It just takes time. Often up to a year.

I wish we could send newly implanted guys a welcome packet that told them to chill out and give it time. You still have a whole lot of implant that has yet to appear. Chill out and give it time!

Be well,
Leto

Thanks, Leto. My surgeon mentioned that my distal length was 11cm (12.5cm proximal) with the penoscrotal approach during my second surgery, compared to 13-13.5cm (9-9.5cm proximal) with the infrapubic approach for my first. Do you remember when you regained most of your length, or was it a fairly gradual improvement all the way up to 12 months?

I didn’t see much growth with my current AX in the first three months, though in hindsight I probably could have pushed cycling harder. I was pretty upset at the time dealing with the tubing issues, which definitely affected how pain tolerant I was.

[LetoMan]

My surgeon mentioned that my distal length was 11cm (12.5cm proximal) with the penoscrotal approach during my second surgery, compared to 13-13.5cm (9-9.5cm proximal) with the infrapubic approach for my first. Do you remember when you regained most of your length, or was it a fairly gradual improvement all the way up to 12 months?

I didn’t see much growth with my current AX in the first three months, though in hindsight I probably could have pushed cycling harder. I was pretty upset at the time dealing with the tubing issues, which definitely affected how pain tolerant I was.

The distal/proximal measurements your doc made are likely from the incision site, not bone-pressed. So they probably don’t tell us much about the depth of your crus. Most guys seem to have about a roughly 50/50 measurement that way when done penoscrotal, which aligns with what you describe. I don’t know enough about how that would vary from infrapubic. I really don’t think you can read much from that.

As for my length… I didn’t measure myself that much. I probably only did it a half dozen times or less over the course of that year. But I did write my length down in a post about two months in, and that’s why I was able to compare a year later. I don’t think I suddenly got bigger one day, so I suspect it was gradual.

Again, my pedestrian opinion is that cycling has little to do with it, at least not from some magical “cycling” process. The implant needs to be broken in, your body needs to adapt to it. If you are pumping it up to have sex or jack off on a mostly daily basis, that is probably fine. I have seen no indicators from a doctor that they believe there is any benefit from “aggressive” cycling to the point of pain or not missing days, etc. Eid seems to be the only one who advocates for “early” cycling. It seems to me that would be an easily testable proposition: after controlling for initial length, implant length and other variables, if this early cycling led to some length gain that guys who started later didn’t get, that would show up in the data.

But I doubt that is possible, because I don’t think gains from cycling correlate strongly to “cycling.” Meaning, how much you gain likely has little to do with how aggressively you cycle, because everyone winds up roughly where they were before and where you would expect them to be given implant size.

Rather, gains correlate strongly to how big your implant is, and whether it is fully showing at first or not. In other words, cycling does not magically make the plastic implant in your body expand. It just makes your body adjust to it. Cycling may be accelerating how quickly you gain. And it may be helpful in preventing problems such as developing scar tissue that doesn’t allow you to further expand. But it is not making the 23.5 cm of plastic implant any longer than it was when it was implanted.

(I’m less familiar with the Rigicon models, but the consensus around the AMS LGX model is that the length expansion claims may be overblown. Maybe they expand a little, but if you are properly sized the issue is not whether your implant can expand lengthwise, but whether your tunica can accommodate expansion.)

There are a number of studies that show pretty much everyone regains their length plus often a small bit more, and that it takes time, up to a year later.

Bottom line: cycle daily. Don’t hurt yourself. Don’t sweat it if you miss a day or even a few. You are very likely going to get back to where you were before regardless, and aggressive cycling ain’t gonna make your implant bigger. Enjoy your hard dick. I had just as much fun fucking with my 4.75 inch dick as I do with my 6 inch dick. Chill out and be patient.

Studies:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8519487/

https://www.sciencedirect.com:5037/scie ... 9515310171