Restoring length after implantation using cycling

[AntonS]

Today marks exactly one month since the Titan implantation.

Since the surgery, I've lost about 1.5 cm in length. Plus, after the vein surgeries, while waiting for the implantation, and while making the most difficult decision of my life, I also lost some size.

So, guys, if you realize that the pills and injections are starting to lose their effectiveness, don't delay! Make a decision quickly, because it won't get any better; it'll only get worse with each passing month.

I've been cycling for 20 days now, and today I started doing the Perito exercises to their full potential. When the implant is fully inflated, I gently bend it in different directions, after which I can do a few more pumps. I do this for several cycles over the course of an hour. Before this, I couldn't do the Perito exercises because the Titan was so stiff and the cylinders wouldn't bend at all. I don't have any particular pain, as described here regarding the pumping; the surgeon didn't oversize the size. The cylinder tips are perfectly positioned in the glans penis, exactly where they should be. However, I experience pain and a feeling of heaviness on the right side, where the proximal right RT presses inward during full inflation. I don't feel any pain in the glans. As they say, no pain, no growth. But I believe the size is correct.

I'd really like to regain at least some length, but I don't understand how the penis can increase in length after several months of cycling, given that the Titan cylinders are fixed-length. I understand that for the first 2-3 months, while the capsule is forming, I need to actively and aggressively cycle to stretch the tissue. Do I have a chance, and should I continue this aggressive cycling twice a day?

Regarding the lgx, both my surgeon and I personally know several guys who, with daily cycling for 6 months, managed to regain all the lost length and even gain a little more than their original size. This is understandable, because it has some headroom for length gain.

But what about the Titan and CX? Tell me about your experience. Have you managed to regain the length (not the girth) over time? And what can I expect?

Right now, I see that even when deflated, my penis is a bit short and sticks out forward. I thought it would be longer and hang down when deflated.

Perhaps it hasn't been long enough, considering my complicated procedure, I don't know. I still have swelling and pain in both my penis itself and my scrotum, especially on the right side, where the tube to the reservoir runs.

By the way, I think I've gained a few millimeters, but it's barely noticeable. My girth has almost completely returned. I remember someone here writing that they specifically swore off taking measurements until six months.

[Irish Lad 34]

Hey buddy. I'm in exactly the same boat as you. Down about 1.3cm (excluding glans engorgement) and struggling to understand how my penis will get any longer given the cylinders are a fixed length.

I had a Titan Implanted via the penoscrotal approach 11 days ago. I'm hoping to be cleared for cycling next Thursday which will be just over 3 weeks out from surgery.

I'm down on girth too but mostly only in the upper half of my penis. Mid shaft girth looks only a bit smaller than before and girth at the base may be a bit bigger. It's good to hear your girth has come back. How much girth had you lost coming out of surgery?

I'm very eager to regain my lost length and girth and I also have a Titan so let's see how we both get on over the next few months. I hope you make some awesome gains.

I also put up a similar post on this subject myself yesterday

[AntonS]

Hey buddy. I'm in exactly the same boat as you. Down about 1.3cm (excluding glans engorgement) and struggling to understand how my penis will get any longer given the cylinders are a fixed length.

I had a Titan Implanted via the penoscrotal approach 11 days ago. I'm hoping to be cleared for cycling next Thursday which will be just over 3 weeks out from surgery.

I'm down on girth too but mostly only in the upper half of my penis. Mid shaft girth looks only a bit smaller than before and girth at the base may be a bit bigger. It's good to hear your girth has come back. How much girth had you lost coming out of surgery?

I'm very eager to regain my lost length and girth and I also have a Titan so let's see how we both get on over the next few months. I hope you make some awesome gains.

I also put up a similar post on this subject myself yesterday

You don't need to judge anything now, since very little time has passed since the surgery. I was also shocked by the loss in size immediately after the surgery and before I started cycling. After 20 days, I see a slight increase, but it's not much. Towards the end of the cycling, after doing the Perito exercises with full arousal, I pressed the ruler against my pubic bone, and it was almost 16 cm. But that, as you understand, was after dancing with tambourines. On the operating table, the surgeon also pressed the ruler against my pubic bone, and then it barely reached 15 cm, somewhere around 14.6. After he sent me this photo, I was truly shocked, especially considering that before the surgery, I stretched it to 17.5 cm with a vacuum pump. So don't worry about it now at all. Regarding girth, I'll tell you this: a pumped-up implant without blood filling and a penis with an implant after blood filling during arousal are two different things. My girth before surgery, when fully aroused, was about 15.5 - 16 cm. Now it's definitely 15.5. I'd also like to note that the head of the penis is filling out like it probably only did in my youth. Now I'm trying not to miss the time it takes for the capsule to form and actively cycle and do Perito exercises. Give yourself some time too and don't panic.

[Irish Lad 34]

Hey buddy. I'm in exactly the same boat as you. Down about 1.3cm (excluding glans engorgement) and struggling to understand how my penis will get any longer given the cylinders are a fixed length.

I had a Titan Implanted via the penoscrotal approach 11 days ago. I'm hoping to be cleared for cycling next Thursday which will be just over 3 weeks out from surgery.

I'm down on girth too but mostly only in the upper half of my penis. Mid shaft girth looks only a bit smaller than before and girth at the base may be a bit bigger. It's good to hear your girth has come back. How much girth had you lost coming out of surgery?

I'm very eager to regain my lost length and girth and I also have a Titan so let's see how we both get on over the next few months. I hope you make some awesome gains.

I also put up a similar post on this subject myself yesterday

You don't need to judge anything now, since very little time has passed since the surgery. I was also shocked by the loss in size immediately after the surgery and before I started cycling. After 20 days, I see a slight increase, but it's not much. Towards the end of the cycling, after doing the Perito exercises with full arousal, I pressed the ruler against my pubic bone, and it was almost 16 cm. But that, as you understand, was after dancing with tambourines. On the operating table, the surgeon also pressed the ruler against my pubic bone, and then it barely reached 15 cm, somewhere around 14.6. After he sent me this photo, I was truly shocked, especially considering that before the surgery, I stretched it to 17.5 cm with a vacuum pump. So don't worry about it now at all. Regarding girth, I'll tell you this: a pumped-up implant without blood filling and a penis with an implant after blood filling during arousal are two different things. My girth before surgery, when fully aroused, was about 15.5 - 16 cm. Now it's definitely 15.5. I'd also like to note that the head of the penis is filling out like it probably only did in my youth. Now I'm trying not to miss the time it takes for the capsule to form and actively cycle and do Perito exercises. Give yourself some time too and don't panic.

OK. Sounds like you've got a lot back already which is good. You're signature says that before the implant you were 6.3 or 6.4 inches. That's 16cm. Now you say you measured 16cm just a few days ago with full arousal after a Perito pumping exercise? Sounds like you've got everything back already. I think you'll get the VED length back again. Mine was also bigger coming out of an aggressively pumped VED device. I think we should aim to regain the length of out natural erections, ones that did not involve VED gains.

[AntonS]

Hey buddy. I'm in exactly the same boat as you. Down about 1.3cm (excluding glans engorgement) and struggling to understand how my penis will get any longer given the cylinders are a fixed length.

I had a Titan Implanted via the penoscrotal approach 11 days ago. I'm hoping to be cleared for cycling next Thursday which will be just over 3 weeks out from surgery.

I'm down on girth too but mostly only in the upper half of my penis. Mid shaft girth looks only a bit smaller than before and girth at the base may be a bit bigger. It's good to hear your girth has come back. How much girth had you lost coming out of surgery?

I'm very eager to regain my lost length and girth and I also have a Titan so let's see how we both get on over the next few months. I hope you make some awesome gains.

I also put up a similar post on this subject myself yesterday

You don't need to judge anything now, since very little time has passed since the surgery. I was also shocked by the loss in size immediately after the surgery and before I started cycling. After 20 days, I see a slight increase, but it's not much. Towards the end of the cycling, after doing the Perito exercises with full arousal, I pressed the ruler against my pubic bone, and it was almost 16 cm. But that, as you understand, was after dancing with tambourines. On the operating table, the surgeon also pressed the ruler against my pubic bone, and then it barely reached 15 cm, somewhere around 14.6. After he sent me this photo, I was truly shocked, especially considering that before the surgery, I stretched it to 17.5 cm with a vacuum pump. So don't worry about it now at all. Regarding girth, I'll tell you this: a pumped-up implant without blood filling and a penis with an implant after blood filling during arousal are two different things. My girth before surgery, when fully aroused, was about 15.5 - 16 cm. Now it's definitely 15.5. I'd also like to note that the head of the penis is filling out like it probably only did in my youth. Now I'm trying not to miss the time it takes for the capsule to form and actively cycle and do Perito exercises. Give yourself some time too and don't panic.

OK. Sounds like you've got a lot back already which is good. You're signature says that before the implant you were 6.3 or 6.4 inches. That's 16cm. Now you say you measured 16cm just a few days ago with full arousal after a Perito pumping exercise? Sounds like you've got everything back already. I think you'll get the VED length back again. Mine was also bigger coming out of an aggressively pumped VED device. I think we should aim to regain the length of out natural erections, ones that did not involve VED gains.

Yes, today it was almost 16 cm at the end of the cycle after several cycles of Perito exercises. But 16 cm is with the ruler fully pressed against the pubic bone. I wonder, when people write about their length here, do they mean the length with the skin pressed into the pubic bone or away from the skin?

[Kodixx]

AntonS, congrats on making it to the 1 month mark ! I agree with your advice about getting the implant sooner than later -- for both quality of life and stopping the continual loss of size. At this point you are only 4 weeks post-op. By comparison I couldn't even start cycling until almost 8 weeks due to a rough recovery. So I agree with others that you would benefit from continuing to give yourself time and a chance to fully heal. Leto recently posted an explanation of how cycling slowly increases size that resonated with me. The link is below. His description of "training the tunica to expand" is consistent with other sources that have described how increases in size happens over time. I have a CX and for me, I've gained 1/2" over about 10 months, and half of that within the past couple months. That got me back to pre-op size, and I may be at the max length and girth for my size cylinders. I say that because now when I pump to max inflation I feel little if any pain, and whatever pain I do feel goes away within a few minutes. I interpret that as the cylinders no longer pressing to expand because they're now max'd out. That said, I'll continue to cycle once or twice a day to ensure that the tunica and any other surrounding tissue remain flexible to take advantage of the full size of the cylinders.

Has Anyone Not Gained Length From Cycling?
https://www.franktalk.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27528#p265405

- Chuck

Today marks exactly one month since the Titan implantation. Since the surgery, I've lost about 1.5 cm in length. Plus, after the vein surgeries, while waiting for the implantation, and while making the most difficult decision of my life, I also lost some size. So, guys, if you realize that the pills and injections are starting to lose their effectiveness, don't delay! Make a decision quickly, because it won't get any better; it'll only get worse with each passing month. I'd really like to regain at least some length, but I don't understand how the penis can increase in length after several months of cycling, given that the Titan cylinders are fixed-length. I understand that for the first 2-3 months, while the capsule is forming, I need to actively and aggressively cycle to stretch the tissue. Do I have a chance, and should I continue this aggressive cycling twice a day? But what about the Titan and CX? Tell me about your experience. Have you managed to regain the length (not the girth) over time? And what can I expect?

[AntonS]

AntonS, congrats on making it to the 1 month mark ! I agree with your advice about getting the implant sooner than later -- for both quality of life and stopping the continual loss of size. At this point you are only 4 weeks post-op. By comparison I couldn't even start cycling until almost 8 weeks due to a rough recovery. So I agree with others that you would benefit from continuing to give yourself time and a chance to fully heal. Leto recently posted an explanation of how cycling slowly increases size that resonated with me. The link is below. His description of "training the tunica to expand" is consistent with other sources that have described how increases in size happens over time. I have a CX and for me, I've gained 1/2" over about 10 months, and half of that within the past couple months. That got me back to pre-op size, and I may be at the max length and girth for my size cylinders. I say that because now when I pump to max inflation I feel little if any pain, and whatever pain I do feel goes away within a few minutes. I interpret that as the cylinders no longer pressing to expand because they're now max'd out. That said, I'll continue to cycle once or twice a day to ensure that the tunica and any other surrounding tissue remain flexible to take advantage of the full size of the cylinders.

Has Anyone Not Gained Length From Cycling?
https://www.franktalk.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=27528#p265405

- Chuck

Today marks exactly one month since the Titan implantation. Since the surgery, I've lost about 1.5 cm in length. Plus, after the vein surgeries, while waiting for the implantation, and while making the most difficult decision of my life, I also lost some size. So, guys, if you realize that the pills and injections are starting to lose their effectiveness, don't delay! Make a decision quickly, because it won't get any better; it'll only get worse with each passing month. I'd really like to regain at least some length, but I don't understand how the penis can increase in length after several months of cycling, given that the Titan cylinders are fixed-length. I understand that for the first 2-3 months, while the capsule is forming, I need to actively and aggressively cycle to stretch the tissue. Do I have a chance, and should I continue this aggressive cycling twice a day? But what about the Titan and CX? Tell me about your experience. Have you managed to regain the length (not the girth) over time? And what can I expect?

Kodixx, thank you! But for now, this slight increase in length is happening, as I said earlier, after a lot of effort. I don't know if the achieved length increase will remain, even after a year or more of initial pumping, without the endless cylinder bending and pumping using the Perito method. That is, you pump up the implant before sex, and it's already the desired size, achieved through months of exercise.

Tell me, please, how do you like your CX with the new pump? So far, I have some regrets, but the AMS implant release is actually much better and more convenient. You don't have to hold the release button with one hand while squeezing the cylinders with the other. This makes Coloplast completely impossible to hide the implant if needed. And of course, now I can fully appreciate how much more convenient and comfortable the AMS cylinders are without those awful kinks.

[Kodixx]

AntonS, IMHO I think you're fortunate to be seeing a size increase so early, being only 4 weeks post-op. I couldn't even start cycling until almost 8 weeks, and I don't think I saw any increase in size for 3 or maybe 4 months post-op ? I really like the CX and Tenacio. The whole setup does exactly what its supposed to. Its a great solution for what works for me. Having said that, I know lots of guys are just as happy with their LGX's, malleables, Titans, and Rigicons as I am with my CX.
- it is beyond amazing and life-changing to be hard whenever I want, for as long as I or my wife wants
- now my mind is freed up to focus on our pleasure, be more creative than I've/we've ever been -- and just enjoy !
- the Tenacio is easy to use and works reliably
- having the pump, any pump, in the scrotum took some getting used to -- but now I don't notice or think about it
- and when flaccid the CX is just as comfortable as my original equipment, with the added fun of being a bit more of a 'shower', in fact I choose that by staying around 25-30% inflated most of the time

Originally I didn't like how hard the pump bulb was, as it took around a week for it to soften up. Now -- who cares. I'd take it again.
I kind of freaked out when my pump was on the recall list -- until I found out that only a very small number of pumps, on a very small list, were actually affected by an initial assembly issue.

- Chuck

for now, this slight increase in length is happening, as I said earlier, after a lot of effort. I don't know if the achieved length increase will remain, even after a year or more of initial pumping, without the endless cylinder bending and pumping using the Perito method. That is, you pump up the implant before sex, and it's already the desired size, achieved through months of exercise. Tell me, please, how do you like your CX with the new pump? So far, I have some regrets, but the AMS implant release is actually much better and more convenient. You don't have to hold the release button with one hand while squeezing the cylinders with the other. This makes Coloplast completely impossible to hide the implant if needed. And of course, now I can fully appreciate how much more convenient and comfortable the AMS cylinders are without those awful kinks.

[LetoMan]

Let me try to make this as simple as possible.

Different types of materials can be a fixed length. For example, you could have six inches of metal pipe, or a six inch inelastic condom.

No matter what you do with the pipe, it will always be six inches. You can’t fit a six inch pipe into a five inch space. But the condom can bend, scrunch, twist, turn. It’s pliable. You could fit a six inch condom into a five inch space.

Please note I am not saying implant “cylinders” are like a condom. But they are much closer to a condom than a pipe. The material is designed to become rigid when inflated. But when uninflated it has a lot of “give” to it. It bends, it twists.

When the doc puts an implant inside the tunica, the tunica is what restricts the full extension of that implant.

The doc “sizes” the implant to you by giving your dick a super-stretch. They do this while you are under anaesthesia after cutting you open, and run a string through your penis and poke it through your glans to measure the distal length, and poke deep into your crus to measure the proximal length. Put them together, and that’s the size of the implant you are going to get, including extenders.

What they are measuring using this super-stretch is the limit of how far your tunica can stretch, and how deep an implant can go into your crus.

Once measured, they shove this semi-rigid condom/balloon-like thing into your dick, both distal and proximal. For example, I got a 21cm implant with 3cm of rear extenders. I have a total of 24 cm of implant, about 9.5 inches.

But! Without my dick being super-stretched, the space it was being shoved into was only about 8.25 inches. That’s not a big difference… you could easily fit a 9.5 inch condom into an 8.25 inch space with a minimum of scrunching and twisting.

The result: after surgery and swelling going down, when I inflated my implant, I had about 4.75 inches distal, and 3.5 inches proximal; i.e, I had a 4.75 inch cock.

The reason why is because my tunica could not initially replicate the super-stretch measurement with only the internal force of the expanding implant. Even when inflated, my implant remained scrunched in a space smaller than its fully-extended size.

The tunica is sort of like a pliable rubber hose. It doesn’t really want to stretch, but it can. It REALLY doesn’t want to stretch when it is unaccustomed to being stretched, such as when it is coming off an extended period of ED. The super-stretch can get it fully extended (while you are under anesthesia), but just inflating the implant doesn’t quite get it there.

So, what happens when you cycle? You start stretching the tunica. And whether it happens little by little or all at once, the tunica eventually responds to the stretching by “giving” more, hopefully eventually fully extending itself to the super-stretch measurement.

That’s what happened to me. Eventually my tunica gave me additional space, such that now when fully inflated I have a 6 inch distal cock, with 3.5 inches in my crus.

Make sense? The implant doesn’t expand. The tunica does, and that allows the implant to fully extend.

A malleable implant is not inflatable. It doesn’t scrunch. It’s sorta what you guys are thinking an IPP is like. With a malleable, you get what you get… a certain size malleable means a certain size dick, because a malleable can’t gently stretch the tunica, which is why malleable measurements are undersized relative to IPPs, as they are dependent on the tunica size at the time of implant, and can lead to erosion problems (the malleable poking through the tunica) if they are oversized.

And that’s why a “flaccid” IPP is slightly shorter than an erect IPP… the implant can scrunch and bend, and your dick is shorter and not erect as a result.

I hope that all helps. If it doesn’t, talk to your docs!

Be well, Leto

[LetoMan]

Another note on inflation:

If you think about a balloon. When a balloon has a vacuum in it, no air, it is small and compressed, easily “scrunched”. When you fill it in with your first breath, it inflates to a point where it is full of air, BEFORE the rubber material starts to stretch. That’s the first phase of inflating. If you keep on putting air in, it gets even fuller because the rubber material stretches and expands. That’s the second phase.

Implants only have the first phase of inflation… it fills with saline. It doesn’t expand, like in the second phase. It’s like a balloon that reaches that first phase, but doesn’t stretch and expand.

But think about the difference in size between that balloon inflated to the first phase and a balloon with no air in it at all. The balloon becomes rigid, and is significantly larger. It hasn’t changed in size, it’s still the same size as it was before, it just now is rigid and has air in it.

That’s what is going on when you inflate an IPP. But if you put the balloon in a metal tube that will only allow it to inflate so much, that is the tunica keeping the balloon from fully inflating.