Trying to Decide Between IPP and Malleable for my case… calling on opinions of the Bionic Brotherhood

[tooyoung]

So funny, tooyoung fake account still posting here thinking that anyone would really read his biased nonsense

Daddel boy I missed you.

[dj_soros]

I decided to start with an MPP and hope to get 20+ years out of it. My surgeon was initially a little hesitant, but he also said he felt more comfortable with this plan because “it’s best to have few surgeries as possible” when you’ve got a long time horizon. By the time I ever need a replacement, I’m confident Coloplast will have refined their tubing or overall reliability and hell maybe even something like a Bluetooth-enabled implant will exist by then.

For me, the biggest practical factor was insurance. I didn’t want to risk an IPP lasting less than 12 years and then discover that my job’s health plan wouldn’t cover a replacement, leaving me with a $25k bill. I’ll take that gamble when I’m in my 50s.

I also like the idea that if I ever move to an IPP, it will feel like a real upgrade in both functionality and quality of life, something to look forward to. Going from an IPP back to an MPP, on the other hand, would feel more like a downgrade.

That said, I completely understand why someone would choose the better IPP functionality while they’re still younger. It really is a tough call and everyone has to weigh the trade-offs a little differently.

[tooyoung]

I decided to start with an MPP and hope to get 20+ years out of it. My surgeon was initially a little hesitant, but he also said he felt more comfortable with this plan because “it’s best to have few surgeries as possible” when you’ve got a long time horizon. By the time I ever need a replacement, I’m confident Coloplast will have refined their tubing or overall reliability and hell maybe even something like a Bluetooth-enabled implant will exist by then.

For me, the biggest practical factor was insurance. I didn’t want to risk an IPP lasting less than 12 years and then discover that my job’s health plan wouldn’t cover a replacement, leaving me with a $25k bill. I’ll take that gamble when I’m in my 50s.

I also like the idea that if I ever move to an IPP, it will feel like a real upgrade in both functionality and quality of life, something to look forward to. Going from an IPP back to an MPP, on the other hand, would feel more like a downgrade.

That said, I completely understand why someone would choose the better IPP functionality while they’re still younger. It really is a tough call and everyone has to weigh the trade-offs a little differently.

Wow...congratulations man!...I'm 27 and will get rigi10 (most probably) this December or january.

Your write up felt like you were pulling words straight out of my mind...especially the paragraph before the last.

Who is your surgeon? Please when convenient write a journal about your experience.

Wishing you a speedy recovery and I'm glad that you have put this nightmare behind.

Please join whatsapp malleable group.

https://chat.whatsapp.com/FJYnpIGClI98x ... H?mode=r_c

[thx1138]

dj,

Did you loose any girth or is it to soon to tell ?

Also; what brand and size did you get ?

Thanks,

[dj_soros]

dj,

Did you loose any girth or is it to soon to tell ?

Also; what brand and size did you get ?

Thanks,

It's hasn't been a week since my surgery. As of right now I did lose some girth.
From what other's have told me, I should wait a few months before concluding since there is inflammation and my tissue is still adjusting.

Rigicon. 11mm rods

[dj_soros]

I decided to start with an MPP and hope to get 20+ years out of it. My surgeon was initially a little hesitant, but he also said he felt more comfortable with this plan because “it’s best to have few surgeries as possible” when you’ve got a long time horizon. By the time I ever need a replacement, I’m confident Coloplast will have refined their tubing or overall reliability and hell maybe even something like a Bluetooth-enabled implant will exist by then.

For me, the biggest practical factor was insurance. I didn’t want to risk an IPP lasting less than 12 years and then discover that my job’s health plan wouldn’t cover a replacement, leaving me with a $25k bill. I’ll take that gamble when I’m in my 50s.

I also like the idea that if I ever move to an IPP, it will feel like a real upgrade in both functionality and quality of life, something to look forward to. Going from an IPP back to an MPP, on the other hand, would feel more like a downgrade.

That said, I completely understand why someone would choose the better IPP functionality while they’re still younger. It really is a tough call and everyone has to weigh the trade-offs a little differently.

Wow...congratulations man!...I'm 27 and will get rigi10 (most probably) this December or january.

Your write up felt like you were pulling words straight out of my mind...especially the paragraph before the last.

Who is your surgeon? Please when convenient write a journal about your experience.

Wishing you a speedy recovery and I'm glad that you have put this nightmare behind.

Please join whatsapp malleable group.

https://chat.whatsapp.com/FJYnpIGClI98x ... H?mode=r_c

Thanks!

If I remember, I'll ask my surgeon if he's okay with being mentioned. He told me that implant surgeons do indeed lurk this site lol.
He's not well known despite his skill, and doesn't self promote. I found him through referral from an unrelated doctor.

I plan making a post in a month or so when I've had the chance to bend and use it.

[Wooody]

Why are you enumerating obvious perks of ipp that i didn't deny (even though I do partially)...and I haven't said mpps are perfect either...it has some huge drawbacks as well..but for me personally (and I believe many younger folks as well) lack of acceptable reliability is a dealbreaker.

My reply wasn't about ipp vs mpp and many of my previous posts have never been too...but non-objectivity is the curse of this forum

The OP asked for forum members' opinions (see post title), which by definition is subjective, regarding IPP vs MPP. For you to put down our subjective responses in this forum and question our objectivity, is rather silly. At least many of us actually have an implant that we can share our experiences and opinions about.

However, I disagree with the way you put the perks of ipp and there are some inaccuracies with them.
Why do you think mpp is not good for any sexual position With the proper installation and most rigid ones (rigi10 and tactra) ?

My comment about sexual positions is not that MPPs are not good at any position but that IPPs, by in large, are effective at all positions. I have read posts from some MPP posters that have had difficulty with some positions, particularly with longer dicks, due to bending.

My "perks" as you call them, was meant to be an IPP vs MPP comparison.. which one would score better in each category. I think IPP wins in this category.

And regarding daily comfort, there are guys here who had an ipp and hated the presence of tubes/pump and later switched to a mpp...and they explicitly said "feeling more natural".

I'm sure there are. I never said there weren't any. Again, this is my comparison of the 2 types of implants and which win in this category.

I have read far more testimonials from guys, myself included, that feel their IPP is very natural and comfortable feeling when flaccid. I really have not read a whole lot of complaints about feeling the tubes and pump etc. Not an issue for me at all. Also, common sense would tell me that having a soft, erection length dick is going to be more comfortable than having a hard, erection length dick 24/7. Especially with an active lifestyle.

Also regarding size maintenance I have seen guys with ipps who lost inches in length..and I believe that's because ipp size maintenance needs optimal cycling ...which is a chore by itself...and it isn't always possible for some men..Yes it's the best to preserve girth and that's a drawback with a mpp but it's no way prominent or significant in average and below average dicks in terms of girth.
Yeah I totaly agree with you... girthy dicks should never go with a mpp and I clarified the reasons before.

Cycling is hardly a chore and I do not see anyone with an IPP complaining about this. I've lost count how many times I went to cycle and I got so aroused I wound up rubbing one out or fucking the hell out of my fiance It's actually been a fun thing to do, especially after years of ED. You cannot convince me that having to undersize the length of MPP's to prevent erosion, while good drs try to aggressively size IPPs, gives them equal chances at maintaining size. And yes, girth is no debate. IPP wins with size maintenance probability, in my subjective opinion. Of course there are deviations to this for each but I'm talking about overall probability.

And the idea of what's the best plan ...is it ipp to mpp or mpp to ipp is still controversial and disputed..for me personally I can't accept the ipp reliability so atleast if I have to switch to an ipp then I know it's my only option and I will be by then content with it and its' shitty reliability
..by then maybe it becomes mentally acceptable...but if I did ipp first I would be constantly thinking what if I had an mpp and bought peace of mind. You said it..since you are already girthy it is an "easy" choice to get an ipp.

I can respect your concern and decision.

And why the hell do you guys talk about revisions as easy peasy projects ? ...let alone you talk about prosthetic infections as a cold flu that's guaranteed to be solved.

For me, after talking with several high volume drs about this issue, I believe them when they tell me that their infection rates have come down significantly to almost nill over the last few years as they've improved their processes and anti-infection techniques. I believe that the experience and quality of the dr matters tremendously regarding this. Also, there are countless testimonials here that confirm that recovery from revisions is much much easier than the initial surgery.

Again, these are my subjective opinions based on my personal IPP experience, user posts and research.

[JohnnyBorg]

I don't have either one yet, I can't do anything until at least April next year, but I've also spent a ridiculous amount of time researching this stuff haha
. I'm only 43, so young' ish as well for this type of thing, there's no way I would consider a malleable, not at our age anyway. The IPP's as better in every respect. If you want to maximise girth and length and hardness, IPP is the only way to go.

Hey AussieGuy, appreciate the comment! Yeah i think the more research the better. For me, it really might come down to whether insurance will cover the procedure or not. I think in my case, if I end up paying out of pocket the MPP becomes very attractive. But yeah from everything I’ve researched, the IPP really seems like the way to go if you’re looking for an implant that’s going to give you the strongest possible erection!

Best of luck in your journey man, I hope come April you’ll be in position to get your IPP!

[JohnnyBorg]

That is really going to depend on how you heal, handle pain, and follow doctor instructions. I don't think you are going to need a revision every 10 years either. There are some guys who have been implanted for 15-20+ years. You just don't see any info from guys that have been implanted that long because they have moved on.
As far as length/girth you aren't going to gain any big amounts. It won't turn you into a porn star. It's possible to lose some size as well with either the IPP or malleable.
My advice is choose the IPP. It makes for a more natural look.
After close to six years implanted it is just a part of me now.
Tough decision, best of luck.

Hey Old Guy, appreciate the feedback. It’s hard to remember the fact that for the guys who are doing well, most of them probably aren’t posting here about it. Also appreciate your candor on the potential length and girth gains and also the possibility of losing some size with either.

The more I’ve thought about it, the more I really think the insurance decision is going to be a major factor. If my insurance approves, I feel like I’d be much more inclined to give the IPP a shot as my first implant. If not, then I think the MPP is just more viable for me in the long run on account of potential expenses.

It’s awesome you’ve had yours six years now, congratulations. Thanks again.

[JohnnyBorg]

Hey Johnny. I have my IPP sugery on Oct. 21, so my mind is racing in advance of that so I know how you feel with these hard decisions.

I brought up the possibility of an MPP with my surgeon (Dr. Hakky). He said for my larger anatomy he’d never suggest it. The girth lost would be very noticeable, and the longer an MPP is the more difficult it is to keep axial rigidity during sex. It’s just a longer lever and tries to bend at the base. He did say for shorter or less girthy penises it could be a reasonable choice, but of course there are trade-offs.

As to the 8-10 surgeries over a lifetime, that’s just a guess. Remember that statistically over half of IPPs are still functional at 15 years. If you cot lucky you might have 3 surgeries. Of you might have the 8-10. It’s unknown and unknowable in advance.

IMO if both devices had identical risk profiles, the IPP is superior, because it better similates the natural action of the penis. I think the sensation of imcreasing harness is pleasurable to most men, and comtributes to arousal. The MPP is certainly functional and always ready to go, but lacks that degree of preparatory sensation.

Practically, here’s my take. Let’s say you are on your second revision, and you have an infection that requires explantation. The surgeon will place an MPP as a “salvage” at that point anyway.

Once that is done, you can evaluate it as long as you want before deciding to keep it in place or revise back to an IPP. But you’ll be a very informed consumer at that point, and will be in a position to know exactly which suits you best.

Right now you’re just guessing based on your research, others’ experiences, and a little bit of fear (which we all have!). I can’t tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what I think I would do in your circumstances:

I’d get the implant that would give me the best user experience and most natural feel, especially during your younger, prime sexual years. To me that means an IPP. Then down the road if/when you need revisions, you can revisit that decision each time but with a more informed set of expectations. If God forbid you have an infection or other complication at some point, you’ll likely be forced into an MPP at least temporarily. If that happens you will really have full knowledge to make a decision based on risk and your satisfaction with each type. In the meantime your best sex years will have had the best quality and most natural feeling implant experience.

I’m sure others will disagree, and you might not like my analysis for whatever reason, but I think the above logic is pretty sound.

Good luck, and I’m sure you’ll pick the best solution for *you*.

Hey ElbowRoom, appreciate the comment and good to see you again. I’m really looking forward to following along after your surgery in October. After meeting Hakky in person at the beginning of this month, I’m absolutely confident we’re both in good hands!

Yeah I’m not surprised Hakky really emphasized the importance of going with the IPP given you’re on the larger side! Being on the smaller side, this is actually one of the reasons that’s given me so much pause between IPP and MPP. I get the impression that an MPP could actually be great for a guy with a smaller penis as long as the width placed in the corpora is a snug fit to ensure there isn’t major girth loss. This is something I’m going to discuss much more with Hakky during my consultation in early October. If I was more endowed or even on the larger side of average, I think I’d end up picking the IPP without hesitation.

I do really like your analysis. I think the idea of starting out with an IPP to see how I fare is growing on me a bit. I also think it could actually be to my benefit if I wanted to switch to a malleable later on: I remember The Driver’s journal about getting his Genesis malleable. He unfortunately ended up really unlucky with the IPPs - I think he ended up needing something like 4 revisions early on! Understandably, he had enough and went with the malleable after the final IPP failure - but his doctor did mention that because he had started with the IPP, a good capsule had formed in the corpora that they felt would reduce the risk of erosion. Plus - I do think that cycling the implant could help me establish some potential length gains, as discussed.

A lot to think about, but appreciate you taking the time to give your input. I know you’re still a month out now but wishing you the best man! ED blows. Happy you’re taking action.