Pumping safe without doctor approval

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ObamaDr
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Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby ObamaDr » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:08 pm

I am considering buying a VED in the near future, there are only a few barriers that stop me from buying one right away. I have yet to meet with my GP or any urologist and I wonder if a pump is too great a risk to trying without medical approval. I heard that a pump can crate irreversible damage if not used properly. My next question is should the pump be medical grade or should it be a cheaper quality like bathmate, does it matter anyway.

The biggest sell of the pump is being able to keep erections and maintain size, I have mild early peyronies and if a VED will help me keep my size and erections. I also heard that pumping makes the curve less dramatic. Would a pump at the very beginning of peyronies be a smart investment to make?

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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby gjmjoe017 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:43 pm

I would go with a medical grade VED,I use the Encore Revive pump and like it.If you’re going to see a Urologist wait and talk with him/her about it.If he prescribes it most insurance will cover the cost.When used properly it’s a great device to achieve an erection and with the rings maintain it.Also a great way to keep good blood flow and healthy penile tissue!Highly recommended one!Use mine daily!
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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby bldoink » Tue Nov 02, 2021 12:47 pm

If you use both the pump and rings conservatively I don't see any down side to their use. If you plan to use medical grade rings to hold an erection and will depend on the rings for that purpose then get a medical grade pump designed for that use. If you'll use the pump and rings recklessly then there will be risk of damage.
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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby Lost Sheep » Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:18 pm

I agree with gjmjoe017 about the "When used properly it's a great device to achieve an erection..." but not so much with the rings.

VED use can get your penis engorged and tissues stretched (like regular nocturnal erections do - which are important to maintain penile health and size) but the constriction rings are not necessary for that. I found the rings more trouble than they were worth for therapy and (for me, though other couples have better experiences) unsatisfactory for sex. Usable, but unsatisfactory.

I subscribe to the protocol of pumping to full erection (but not TOO full - larger than your normal erection) for 30 to 60 seconds, then releasing the vacuum to allow the erection to subside and repeat that cycle for 30 minutes twice a day. No constriction ring use at all. This stretches your penile tissues and flushes blood through those tissues to maintain tissue elasticity, size and health.

As far as medical grade or sex-shop "toy" or one you can build yourself from automobile parts store components, if you can easily maintain a vacuum, in my opinion, there is not difference to your penis. Medical grade ones will probably last longer, be more comfortable and have safety features (like a vacuum limiter), but a vacuum is a vacuum and your penis will not know the difference.
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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby dtwarren1942 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 6:34 pm

Depends on what you want to use the pump for. If you want to use it to generate an erection and maintain it with constriction ring(s) a medical grade pump is required because it allows you to slip the ring off the end of the cylinder onto the base of your pumped up erection.

If you want to use it for therapy, a quality sex shop pump with vacuum gauge and cylinder with wide base rim would be the way to go. I have been using my brake bleeder pump for over ten years without an issue.
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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby Spontaneous1 » Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:43 pm

I use my cheap Blush brand pump for penile health pumping, but I can also use it to pump up quickly and slip constriction band off of it onto my penis for intercourse. I just stretch the "Blue Ultimate (flexible) Ring" over the end of the tube, pump up, and then push it off while holding the cylinder against my public bone, to keep it from losing suction too quickly, till the band slips off around my shaft. It works pretty good actually as you can see in my pic on page 5 of "My pump results! And yours?". You want to get a flexible band that's not too tight, but tight enough to keep the blood from exiting your penis, and don't leave it on longer than 30 minutes! I personally take it off long before then, I'm not looking to take any unnecessary chances with the health of my penis. This blue ring will stretch to go over the cylinder, and the material will slowly tighten up on your penis without getting a "snap" effect all at once when it slips off the cylinder. You definitely want to use a little lube at least around the base, and do some manscapping, otherwise it could tangle in some hairs.
Retired 65 y.o. Married. Moderate ED since 2019. Use constriction band ocassionately to help maintain erection, or Cialis/Viagra. Nocturnal/morning erections returning with VED usage. Lower libido than before.

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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby AnotherOldMan » Wed Nov 03, 2021 7:24 am

should the pump be medical grade or should it be a cheaper quality like bathmate,

The Bathmate is at least as expensive as some medical grade pumps if not more.
A lot of people claim a water pump distributes the vacuum more evenly around the penis. I have not found that to be the case, at least as far as I can tell. I do like it for use in the shower.
Married 50+ years. Use VED for sex and do
daily exercises with both water and vacuum pumps.

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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby ObamaDr » Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:55 pm

dtwarren1942 wrote:
If you want to use it for therapy, a quality sex shop pump with vacuum gauge and cylinder with wide base rim would be the way to go. I have been using my brake bleeder pump for over ten years without an issue.


I just want to use mine as therapy.

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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby ObamaDr » Wed Nov 03, 2021 8:55 pm

AnotherOldMan wrote:
should the pump be medical grade or should it be a cheaper quality like bathmate,

The Bathmate is at least as expensive as some medical grade pumps if not more.
A lot of people claim a water pump distributes the vacuum more evenly around the penis. I have not found that to be the case, at least as far as I can tell. I do like it for use in the shower.


I have heard good things about the bathmate so I might consider buying one.

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Re: Pumping safe without doctor approval

Postby Musson » Thu Dec 23, 2021 11:52 am

My Kaiser urologist was very dismissive of my Peyroines condition and recommended watchful waiting. Probably a sound approach but not so reassuring on the increased ED and size loss. I got the impression that his attention is more focused on less benign conditions than Peyroines. Kaiser would not routinely pay for traction or VED, although when pressed he did admit they work….perhaps just not in the cookie cutter playbook that is Kaiser. I decided, after much research, based on legitimate science to employ the techniques rather than risk additional shrinkage. As a data point of one, I can attest that traction does work but requires a maintenance regimen after modest gains are achieved. By modest I mean 1/2 inch at which point gains stop or at least marginal gains diminish. Without maintenance gains from traction will disappear. BED seems to be working on the curvature but my therapy is too new to proclaim anything as of yet. Bottom line is we are in a world of factory medicine with male sexual health issues taking a low priority even though the emotional and relationship consequences are substantial. Be your own advocate, do your research and focus on real science not quackery.
63yr old. PDwith 40% dor. Curve. Pre-PD 7”x6”.lost 2 in. due to PD. ED prior to PD. Switched from Sildalifil to Trimix Nov 2023 . Currently titrating Trimix for optimization.


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