How Much To PUMP

Specific talk about pumps: Questions, hints, recommendations, etc.

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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby Larry10625 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:36 am

AnotherOldMan wrote:
DOCTOR PAUL PERITO.


Doctors are, after all, fallible human beings. If a Doctor, DOCTOR PAUL PERITO for example, gave me the advice he gave you, I would suggest he get a penis pump for himself and follow his own advice until our next visit.

Things may be different right after an implant, but this thread wasn't originally about implants and rehab from the surgery.



I am aware that the original post was not about implanted members... my answer was to include them as well. As for the advice that Dr. Perito gave me, why would you insist that he is wrong... after all, the man is a highly educated, skilled surgeon.

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Continuous Vacuum or Intermittent?

Postby Lost Sheep » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:34 pm

Pre-op, I did both.

I followed a protocol I found in a medical journal paper (continuous vacuum for 30 minutes twice a day) for a couple of months, until I read a paper recommending intermittent vacuum (pump to full -tolerable- vacuum for two minutes if I recall correctly and then release to zero vacuum and repeat) continuing for 30 minutes.

I continued following BOTH protocols until my surgery (14 months) with no discernable ill effects.

I did have two minor bouts of temporary edema caused by too much vacuum which could have happened under either protocol, but is probably more likely with the continuous vacuum. The worse one resolved within 3 days of suspending the protocol.

By the way, Dr. Eid told me (in 2017) that he does not RECOMMEND pre-op vacuum therapy, but opined that it would not hurt, so suggested I could if I wanted. My local urologist/surgeon said the same thing and prescribed the device for me when I asked. There is credible evidence in peer-reviewed medical journals that pre-op VED therapy DOES help with restoring (not increasing, but restoring/maintaining) penile size, elasticity and tissue health (by promoting blood flow flushing through the tissues). Anecdotal evidence in one of the papers indicates that it makes the implant surgery easier for both the surgeon (insertion during the operation) and the patient (less penile discomfort during the first days of recovery). Looks like a win to me.
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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby bldoink » Fri Jan 11, 2019 12:51 pm

I advise caution and that anybody wanting to experiment with the procedure to proceed slowly. I know for a fact, if I leave my dick under constant non-painful vacuum for much over 5 min I'll get a good dose of edema. Everybody is different. Somebody just starting out might be a very unpleasantly surprised if they do 20 min vacuum right off. People do get damage from these things. VEDs are great tools but be careful.



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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby Lost Sheep » Fri Jan 11, 2019 1:45 pm

bldoink wrote:I advice caution and that anybody wanting to experiment with the procedure to proceed slowly. I know for a fact, if I leave my dick under constant non-painful vacuum for much over 5 min I'll get a good dose of edema. Everybody is different. Somebody just starting out might be a very unpleasantly surprised if they do 20 min vacuum right off. People do get damage from these things. VEDs are great tools but be careful.

Wow! Thank you for the cautionary tale, bldoink. I second your suggestion to advance into the protocol (either one) cautiously.

(Note: It is dangerous to do what I describe below. Nowadays we have access to horticulture books, but this process was described for exigent circumstances and should be used only when the situation is dire. I describe it here only for illustrative purposes.)
I am reminded of the process of trying out new foods in the wild. If you experiment eating a new plant found in foraging, it is usual to take a very small bit and if you don't get sick, a few days later try a slightly larger bit. Repeat until you can take a full couple of bites.

Of course, there are some foods that will kill you even when taking in micro-doses, so the above process is only to be undertaken ... well, nowadays, never.

As bldoink recommends, a slow, cautious adoption of any regimen is advisable and under professional supervision, too. Approach V.E.D. use the same way you would approach physical exercise training. You don't START OUT with a 26 mile marathon or bench pressing 250 lbs your first day. You work up to it.
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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby dtwarren1942 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 4:54 pm

Pulse pumping - alternating between different levels of vacuum (say three minutes at 5hg and 3 minutes at 2 hg) for twenty minutes - is a recognized way to improve the health of you penis and perhaps help with your ED. However, leaving the vacuum at 5 hg or higher or at the level of discomfort for a solid 20 minutes results in excess edema and insensitivity.

On the other hand, if you pump for up to 20 minutes, twice a day over an extended period of time (12 months plus) you will probably gain some perminant girth.
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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby AnotherOldMan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:01 pm

why would you insist that he is wrong... after all, the man is a highly educated, skilled surgeon.


The advice was for a newly implanted patient? Maybe there is something about stretching the tissue or whatever for a new implant.

I think dwarren1942 gives good advice when he suggests a pulse pumping routine. But what am I compared to "a highly educated, skilled surgeon" when it comes to advice on using a vacuum pump to perhaps help ED?

As bldoink said, "People do get damage from these things." One doesn't need to look much further than a couple of threads below this one. But bldoink advises on every post he is not a doctor.
When you are new to pumping, as the poster is, caution is your best path to success.
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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby Lost Sheep » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:07 pm

AnotherOldMan wrote:
why would you insist that he is wrong... after all, the man is a highly educated, skilled surgeon.


The advice was for a newly implanted patient? Maybe there is something about stretching the tissue or whatever for a new implant.

I think dwarren1942 gives good advice when he suggests a pulse pumping routine. But what am I compared to "a highly educated, skilled surgeon" when it comes to advice on using a vacuum pump to perhaps help ED?

As bldoink said, "People do get damage from these things." One doesn't need to look much further than a couple of threads below this one. But bldoink advises on every post he is not a doctor.
When you are new to pumping, as the poster is, caution is your best path to success.

OldMan, Keep in mind that when you refer a reader to "a couple of threads below this one", that the order of threads displayed changes with every post in either thread.

I will GUESS it is the thread entitled "PUMP and VEIN question"? Most easily found if you copy the address into a post here (a link)
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11612

I apologize for airing a pet peeve of mine. I mean no disrespect, but just want to help.
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Born 1948 AMS LGX 18+3 implant Nov 6, 2017 by Dr Tavis Shaw. Spent 14 months researching in effort to optimize outcome. After 30 yrs of progressive unrecognized ED I will do this RIGHT; no second chance with one's first.
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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby AnotherOldMan » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:39 am

I apologize for airing a pet peeve of mine


You are correct. Both your pet peeve and the thread.
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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby handfulWES » Wed Jan 16, 2019 12:24 pm

My experience with pumps, and I had 2 different ones designed for ED issues. Before you ever pump up and try out your new found hardon, you need to take 2 or 3 days and play with it several times a day. I was told by my urologist that to pump till it felt firm and go one more short pump. Leave it there and allow your dick to adjust to its new shape and the sensations. In my playing around I busted a nut and sprayed the inside of my tube and THAT WAS THE FUCKING BOMB. It was my 3rd time of using it that day.

My first pump just wasn't long enough which proved to be a major disappointment. They had an extension but the extension was a sloppy fit and since you added it to the existing tube made it so then you needed a dick that was at least 10 or more inches in length. I was more of a Shetland pony more than 7 but way less than a super horse. LOL Remember this was back in the 70's and only 2 companies made a unit that most insurance would even cover.

The pump would give you enough erection and if your natural system kicked in any at all was rather nice. I learned I had to use a ring that was at least one size to small in order to keep my dick firm enough to work but after about 15 minutes my whole cock was purple. I learned I needed to foreplay before pumping and that break BROKE the moment. The next problem, I didn't ejaculate much out and thus a great deal of the overall experience was lost. I have always leaked huge amounts of pre and because of that it took very little lube for me to have sex. With the ring so tight that didn't happen and thus the need for some lube. 95 percent of my load went to my bladder so I would remove the ring and jack one off. At least for me I had a more happy ending or I would use the pump and make it get me off which was a huge thrill. The clean up was a bitch.

I trust this helps some. If you ask me I think when all the other things are exhausted the implant is a sure thing. Yes, I have had my own issues with them as well. At least you have a rock hard hunk of granite and it feels great to dive in and go to town with no worry.

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68, single, have had an implant since I was 42. Goals: to help men with ED; help men over come years of failure; to know their bodies; have a richer fuller sex life whether they or straight, Bi or gay. last I traveled this road starting in the late 60's

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Re: How Much To PUMP

Postby DougAnd » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:37 pm

Larry ie Dr Perito is recommending gentle pressure. That is very safe. It also tends to be ineffective if you have serious shrinkage. I use 5 minutes of more intense pressure with the last 30 seconds being painful. Be very careful. Set a realistic goal. Be consistent.
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