Implant after using VED and Injections

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Chieftekie
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Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby Chieftekie » Tue Jul 20, 2021 11:04 pm

If you achieve 5.5-6 inches via a VED and or Injection therapy can you get a 5.5-6 inch implant? I had a RP 12 years ago and pills don’t work but injections do.
Thanks

tomas1
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Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby tomas1 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:49 pm

Just my own experience, but I didn't get the VED length nor the tri-mix girth.
I did get the tri-mix length and think it was my lifelong length.
85 years
Inject testosterone weekly.
Implant on 1/22/19 by Dr Avila.
Scrotal, hor. incision just over 1"
18cm AMS 700 CX, 3.5cm RTE 100cc res
Gleason 6 prostate cancer. Monitoring it for now.
Update: On my last biopsies the cancer wasn't found.

Lost Sheep
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Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby Lost Sheep » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:11 pm

Chieftekie wrote:If you achieve 5.5-6 inches via a VED and or Injection therapy can you get a 5.5-6 inch implant? I had a RP 12 years ago and pills don’t work but injections do.
Thanks

Welcome to FrankTalk, Chieftekie.

When I used a VED pre-implant my length inside the vacuum was considerably longer than my erect length ever was. I opine that the reason was two-fold. 1) That the vacuum expanded my tissues more than my own blood pressure would and 2) some of my tissues were simply pulled forward of where they would be under normal circumstances.

So, your injection-induced size is likely what you will get with an implant. Your vacuum-induced size will be larger than either the injection-induced or the implant-supported size.

One thing the VED does do is maintain your size (and could possibly restore recently lost size). It also may make it easier for the surgeon to insert an implant (which means a bit less stress on your penis and more comfortable healing as well as maximizing the size of the implant that can be fit.

So, I recommend using a VED to substitute for the erections a man usually gets, but does not get regularly. For however long it takes to get an implant.

Also, do not confuse the length of an implant with the length of usable penis. Typically 1/3 of the implant is inside a man's pelvic crus (and this varies considerably among men) and 2/3 in the external penis. If you have a lot of depth of the pubic fat pad, that reduces the usable length of the penis and if you have a large glans, that, of course, is out in front of the implant. So, the length calculation has multiple components and is considerably more variable than just implant length and penis length.
Lost Sheep
AMS LGX 18+3 Nov 6, 2017
Prostate Cancer 2023
READ OLD THREADS-ask better questions -better understand answers
Be part of your medical team
Document pre-op size-photos and written records
Pre-op VED therapy helps. Post-op is another matter

cbinspok
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Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby cbinspok » Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:17 pm

LS
"your size" your size now today, Your size 2 years ago? your size when you were a young buck at 25? is your size a sliding scale and is it possible to sort of resurrect an old size? It seems to me your sizes are all in there ?
tx cb
67years,fighting ed for over twenty years. A sever break, vit E, pataba, Viagra, massage Ved cilas, and I'm tired- throwing in the towel, Op for implant Mar 18, 2021 AMS LGX 18 x12 + 1 3cm RTE, gained girth and length, very glad I took the hard step.

tomas1
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Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby tomas1 » Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:04 pm

Just jumping in here, but my surgeon never measured, stretched, nor asked me what my size was prior to surgery, A good surgeon really doesn't have to know any of this until he measures the inner and outer lengths when you're on the table.
It's not rocket science, but there are some bad (or probably) lazy surgeons.
I measured almost my lifelong length the first time I cycled and got back to it quickly.

No big deal, but I also gained a fraction of an inch over time.
I'd call that a moderately aggressive sizing and never had severe glans discomfort.
85 years
Inject testosterone weekly.
Implant on 1/22/19 by Dr Avila.
Scrotal, hor. incision just over 1"
18cm AMS 700 CX, 3.5cm RTE 100cc res
Gleason 6 prostate cancer. Monitoring it for now.
Update: On my last biopsies the cancer wasn't found.

Chieftekie
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Joined: Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:29 am

Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby Chieftekie » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:17 pm

tomas1 wrote:Just my own experience, but I didn't get the VED length nor the tri-mix girth.
I did get the tri-mix length and think it was my lifelong length.



Thank you for your input. I felt the VED length was unrealistic.

Chieftekie
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Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby Chieftekie » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:26 pm

Lost Sheep wrote:
Chieftekie wrote:If you achieve 5.5-6 inches via a VED and or Injection therapy can you get a 5.5-6 inch implant? I had a RP 12 years ago and pills don’t work but injections do.
Thanks

Welcome to FrankTalk, Chieftekie.

When I used a VED pre-implant my length inside the vacuum was considerably longer than my erect length ever was. I opine that the reason was two-fold. 1) That the vacuum expanded my tissues more than my own blood pressure would and 2) some of my tissues were simply pulled forward of where they would be under normal circumstances.

So, your injection-induced size is likely what you will get with an implant. Your vacuum-induced size will be larger than either the injection-induced or the implant-supported size.

One thing the VED does do is maintain your size (and could possibly restore recently lost size). It also may make it easier for the surgeon to insert an implant (which means a bit less stress on your penis and more comfortable healing as well as maximizing the size of the implant that can be fit.

So, I recommend using a VED to substitute for the erections a man usually gets, but does not get regularly. For however long it takes to get an implant.

Also, do not confuse the length of an implant with the length of usable penis. Typically 1/3 of the implant is inside a man's pelvic crus (and this varies considerably among men) and 2/3 in the external penis. If you have a lot of depth of the pubic fat pad, that reduces the usable length of the penis and if you have a large glans, that, of course, is out in front of the implant. So, the length calculation has multiple components and is considerably more variable than just implant length and penis length.
tomas1 wrote:Just my own experience, but I didn't get the VED length nor the tri-mix girth.
I did get the tri-mix length and think it was my lifelong length.



Thank you for your input. I felt the VED length was unrealistic.
tomas1 wrote:Just jumping in here, but my surgeon never measured, stretched, nor asked me what my size was prior to surgery, A good surgeon really doesn't have to know any of this until he measures the inner and outer lengths when you're on the table.
It's not rocket science, but there are some bad (or probably) lazy surgeons.
I measured almost my lifelong length the first time I cycled and got back to it quickly.

No big deal, but I also gained a fraction of an inch over time.
I'd call that a moderately aggressive sizing and never had severe glans discomfort.


Thank you. I have seen in forums that's it's a good idea to stretch prior to surgery. I have been doing so for about a year. I still have not made my mind up but I'm leaning towards doing it. I'll be 72 in January. I hear the older you are the shorter it gets lol.



cbinspok wrote:LS
"your size" your size now today, Your size 2 years ago? your size when you were a young buck at 25? is your size a sliding scale and is it possible to sort of resurrect an old size? It seems to me your sizes are all in there ?
tx cb



Thanks for the info I kinda a figured that the injection length would be a better barometer of what to expect. I'll keep on pumping until I make my mind up.

Chieftekie
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Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby Chieftekie » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:29 pm

Thank you for all the responses to my question. It's funny my original euro never mentioned anything about shortening to me. I guess he felt it was more important to get the cancer out of my body.

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Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby oldbeek » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:37 pm

RP surgeons seldom tell you all the details. Mine out right lied to me.
82, good health, RP 7-2017, all nerves taken , PSA 0.05, 4-18,, .07 1/19,.05 4/19, .03 11-21, .04 11-23, implanted 4-1-18, Infra-pubic, AMS lgx 15 cm with 5cm rte. Implant at USC Keck. Dr Boyd and Dr Loh Doyle 6.5 x 5, 800 AUS 7-21-20

Lost Sheep
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Re: Implant after using VED and Injections

Postby Lost Sheep » Wed Jul 21, 2021 10:55 pm

Chieftekie wrote:[
(edited for focus)
Thank you. I have seen in forums that's it's a good idea to stretch prior to surgery. I have been doing so for about a year. I still have not made my mind up but I'm leaning towards doing it. I'll be 72 in January. I hear the older you are the shorter it gets lol.

Thanks for the info I kinda a figured that the injection length would be a better barometer of what to expect. I'll keep on pumping until I make my mind up.

After my first consult wherein I learned I would be able to get (authorization for) an implant it was 14 months. I used a VED for all that time.

My post-op length was precisely what I had at my last good erections before implant. Since I really had no long period of time with no erections (thank you, oral meds!) I am the same size as I was in my youth.
Lost Sheep
AMS LGX 18+3 Nov 6, 2017
Prostate Cancer 2023
READ OLD THREADS-ask better questions -better understand answers
Be part of your medical team
Document pre-op size-photos and written records
Pre-op VED therapy helps. Post-op is another matter


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