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Posted: **Thu May 13, 2021 4:20 am**

Biker21 wrote:
Implant Q - Are there any cyclists (bicycles not pumps) out there who have had an implant and could still cycle a couple of hours or so. I'm well aware of the issues with saddle etc so I have to have a 'special noseless saddle' anyway. Its £250 by the time its gets through customs and I have two! No more numbness
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Hi Biker, yep I'm a cyclist and implanted. I used to race competitively many years ago. These days maximum ride of about an hour. Initially after implant, maybe 6-8weeks I did do some "test" rides. I was certainly aware of the implant and it was a bit uncomfortable. Now 4 months post implant I find that there is no real discomfort apart from sitting down on the saddle which I do carefully. I would be confident in doing a 2 hour ride without issues.
Cheers boots.

Posted: **Thu May 13, 2021 8:54 am**

Hunchback wrote:
Benjohn wrote:
Hunchback wrote:My personal experience with Vitaros/gel (and from what i've gathered, everyone else's here) is that it has 0 effect. It was actually removed from the public health insurance system because all trials had failed.
Obviously i am not a doctor, but IMO you should DEFINATELY try the injections before making an irreversible modification to your body.

@Benjohn - could you tell us a bit more about that drug Invicorp ? Your experiences, compared to Caverject / EDEX, price, etc ?
I've been searching for "trimix" solutions in Europe for years and somehow have never heard about this drug, and apparently the multiple uros i've consulted with during the years neither... I am so sick of the health system here in France

Hi @Hunchback,
Sure. I believe Invicorp is a fairly new drug. It came on the market in 2016. It works differently to Caverject/Edex as it only causes a semi-rigid erection, you must be stimulated to get completely hard. The erection is meant to fade away naturally after you climax, but I'm finding Invicorp so good that I can often go for round 2 if I like!
I'm no doctor so I'm not sure on the exact science behind the ingredients, but essentially they direct blood flow to the penis but also work to shut the veins (reducing venous leakage).
I think the cost is fairly similar to Caverject, around £50 for a box of 5 injections (call it €55 as you're in France). Although I get mine on the NHS so I don't have to pay for a monthly prescription.
I hope this helps

Thanks for the input Benjohn.
I managed to get my GP to study the drug and he's actually fine with me taking it. However, it seems to be unknown in France, other than that the local NHS trialed it and decided it's not worth paying for... so apparently pharmacies don't bother importing it either. At least it's not BANNED like trimix is, so there's hope to try it. I'll see if i can find it.

When you say "semi-rigid" and "completely hard", what exactly do you mean? When i first started using EDEX years ago i got pretty hard, but i believe it's not what healthy people would call "full erection". In the last couple of years injections have severely declined in efficacy so i always combine them with cockrings to obtain similar results... but still, it's different. Before i were less "engorged" but harder in the core of the penis, now i get pretty thicker but also softer. Definitely not "towel rack" but sufficient for good sex.
I wonder if combining Invicorp with Edex will provide a somewhat "real" erection, hmm...

Oh, does the drug come with syringes and needles like caverject/edex or do you have to get them on the side?

@Biker21 - Sorry for highjacking your thread mate. I can't answer your other questions since they are kinda UK related. A thing i can tell you is that lately i've been buying generic "sildenafil" tablets since all brand-name ones are not refunded. The generics (actual ones, not weird shit from India etc) are way cheaper and honestly work the same, if not better, than brand names (in terms of side effects). We use them for "fun times" when we don't necessarily plan to inject and have full intercourse etc but want to fool around on the sofa while watching a movie or something.

Hi @Hunchback,
Invicorp takes about 5 minutes to get to work. Without any stimulation it gets a little chubby and slightly stiff, but the moment we start getting down to business it kicks in and I get a full erection.
I'd strongly advise against mixing Caverject/Edex and Invicorp together. The Invicorp should be strong enough to work on its own.

Can I ask about your experience with cockrings? I'm currently teetering on the cusp of 100 Sildenafil not working. I'm wondering if I use a cockring then I can go without injections. But I worry about the 20/30 minute time limit on them and any damage they can cause with repeated use.

How have you found using rings? How much did they help?

Thanks,
Ben

Posted: **Thu May 13, 2021 9:52 am**

I only have sex-shop type of rings, not medical grade ones.
Since i have a fairly small member, it's kinda hard to find a ring that's small enough to actually be tight, so that's a problem. I have a few that work tho and sometimes i put 2 on at the same time. In my case, as i said before, they help maintain a better erection when used with an injection. I can use just the rings or ring + pills for fooling around, handjobs and blowjobs but it's usually not enough for intercourse.
As for the time restrictions - I don't really count time, but i believe it's rare that i go for over 30 minutes of straight penetration sex. Guess if you are a pornstar and take your time

you can always remove them a bit and put them back on. I usually adjust them, change them etc every time we change position too, so that helps.

Some people recommended getting one of the allknight rings that go around the balls too and compress your perineum and have adjustable tightness, they do look very interesting but are pretty damn expensive and since they come from the US there's probably also customs to pay... :/

Posted: **Thu May 13, 2021 2:32 pm**

Invicorp - Just be aware that it must be stored in fridge.

Posted: **Thu May 13, 2021 5:29 pm**

Hunchback wrote:My personal experience with Vitaros/gel (and from what i've gathered, everyone else's here) is that it has 0 effect. It was actually removed from the public health insurance system because all trials had failed.
Obviously i am not a doctor, but IMO you should DEFINATELY try the injections before making an irreversible modification to your body.

@Benjohn - could you tell us a bit more about that drug Invicorp ? Your experiences, compared to Caverject / EDEX, price, etc ?
I've been searching for "trimix" solutions in Europe for years and somehow have never heard about this drug, and apparently the multiple uros i've consulted with during the years neither... I am so sick of the health system here in France

Hi @Hunchback.

Thanks for the info on rings.

Also, I noticed in your earlier comment about trimix not being available in Europe. I've always wondered why this is. Is there a reason? It seems so widely used in America.

Posted: **Fri May 14, 2021 4:47 am**

@Benjohn - From what i've gathered from the different uros that i've consulted, they used to have trimix/bimix treatments in Europe before but it was banned because of the supposed damage it does to the penis tissues. Apparently the papaverine in particular tends to be quite harmful, and sadly the ingredient responsible for the "hardness" of the produced erection. Some people abused it and got fibrosis and priapism... so in the end they got rid of it all and made it so that only pure Prostaglandin is allowed.

That's also why i was so surprised to discover Invicorp - it contains phentolamine, which is supposedly also no longer accepted.

Anyways, i'll probably get my prescription today and try to get the local pharmacy to order it. Can't wait

Posted: **Fri May 14, 2021 8:37 am**

Hunchback wrote:@Benjohn - From what i've gathered from the different uros that i've consulted, they used to have trimix/bimix treatments in Europe before but it was banned because of the supposed damage it does to the penis tissues. Apparently the papaverine in particular tends to be quite harmful, and sadly the ingredient responsible for the "hardness" of the produced erection. Some people abused it and got fibrosis and priapism... so in the end they got rid of it all and made it so that only pure Prostaglandin is allowed.

That's also why i was so surprised to discover Invicorp - it contains phentolamine, which is supposedly also no longer accepted.

Anyways, i'll probably get my prescription today and try to get the local pharmacy to order it. Can't wait

Thanks @Hunchback

So you're suggesting that Invicorp can cause gradual damage whereas Caverject/Edex does not? If this is the case then I might try dropping to Caverject/Edex if it is less potent. I just want to go for as long as possible without an implant.

Posted: **Fri May 14, 2021 2:59 pm**

TBH i am not suggesting anything. It's just what i heard as reasons from my doctors as to why we can't get Trimix in Europe.
Judging by this forum, it's all bullshit...

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