Vertica device - where are the results of the announced large-scale study?

[Chevalier]

It was said that large-scale studies would be published in May 2025 to show on a better scientific fundemant whether the Vertica device works (=is effective) or not.

I was surprised that they launched the device on the market with such a small sample size study.

Now a second, improved device has been launched — but there is still no sign of the announced study.

Or have I overseen it?

Does anyone have more information?

[CanGetItUpButNotOff]

I checked with the nurse who oversaw the trial in my area and she said it would be finished in December. I don't have a lot of confidence.

I have an appointment in a couple of weeks with another urologist who is participating in the trial and I'll check with him.

[HeavyMetalFan]

According to this site

https://www.centerwatch.com/clinical-tr ... ment-of-ed

Some clinics are still recruiting. If so, we ain’t getting the results until at least June next year.

[HeavyMetalFan]

I wondered if the “recruiting” status of various clinics was perhaps out of date, and if all participants had in fact completed the trial.

So I contacted one of the clinics, and they confirmed that they are still recruiting.

As the follow-ups are done for 6 months after initiation of therapy, I think we are looking at over 7 months for the data collection to be complete, and about a year after that for the data to be processed and for conclusions to be published.

So maybe some time in 2027 will we get the results.

I’m thinking I might just buy one now. They’re 25% off at the moment.

[CanGetItUpButNotOff]

So maybe some time in 2027 will we get the results.

That seems reasonable but Ohh-Med must be panicking over being shut out of the American market that long.

[HeavyMetalFan]

I bought one. I’ll probably make a thread with a review of it at some point.

[HeavyMetalFan]

Arrived today. Used it for the first time. It’s actually quite easy to use when you get the knack for it.

Something I noticed is that the burning sensation (which is very painful) is due to conductivity into the penis via a small surface area. My theory is that by having all of the RF energy transmitted via a small amount of skin causes it to heat up far more than it should. The burning sensation occurs on the node that has the worst conductivity, which causes a localised and unilateral burning sensation, rather than it uniformly causing the sensation throughout all of the nodes.

TENS machines do the same thing. If my TENS doesn’t have good contact, all of the electrical charge goes into a single point of contact, and it feels like a bee sting.

My solution is to smush my penis into the Vertica. This helps maintain a good contact, and I experience no painful sensations.

This makes me think that people who use it without the smushing technique have to resort to lower energy levels, which may lower the efficacy.

The downside to the smushing technique is that it may turn concentrated energy delivery into diffuse energy delivery, which may not heat tissues enough. It’s not well explained in the manual (which has spelling mistakes lol), but the “wave” indicator will intermittently turn off when it detects your skin is getting hot. So instead of moving the device every 30s, I wait until it says my skin is too hot.

The perineal pad is also a fucking nightmare to keep in position. So I often have to hold that in by hand.

I know I shouldn’t be freestyling the technique, and I should really listen to the manual written in broken English, but fuck it lol.

[CanGetItUpButNotOff]

As I noted, I had a device earlier this year but I still don't know if it was real or a test sham. So my comments funny necessarily reflect on the actual Vertica device.

Did you get the standard version or the one with the engraved app? Just curious… if you are in the USA and where you got yours?

The burning/stinging I experience was unpredictable so your explanation makes sense. Can you elaborate on what "smushing" means? How do you do that?

I found it difficult to position the nodes on my flaccid 2" dick (I think it was afraid of the Star Wars machine coming at it). So it worked better if I could start with a strong erection, and then - this sounds perverse - use the device to occasionally stroke my shaft to keep it up.

I could never figure out what made the wave indicator go on or off.

Yes, the perineum node is a disaster. This was an area I critiqued in my review to the testers. My thighs twisted it out of position so I had to hold it in place. Tell us if you find a good way to do that.

[HeavyMetalFan]

Did you get the standard version or the one with the engraved app? Just curious… if you are in the USA and where you got yours?

The burning/stinging I experience was unpredictable so your explanation makes sense. Can you elaborate on what "smushing" means? How do you do that?

I could never figure out what made the wave indicator go on or off.

Yes, the perineum node is a disaster. This was an area I critiqued in my review to the testers. My thighs twisted it out of position so I had to hold it in place. Tell us if you find a good way to do that.

I got the standard one. I’m not gonna spend £200 more for it to connect to my phone and tell me what a good job I’m doing lol. I’m in the UK. I got mine from their site.

I sit on the floor when I use it, and I find I can get decent perineal contact with the pad this way. But it easily comes out of position and needs repositioning. So I held it in place after 5 minutes of fucking around. One hand on the pad; the other to smush my penis.

I find that the retractable nodes have some exposure on the conductors. In other words, the shiny metal bits are not engulfed by my penis. I don’t have a thin penis; the nodes merely do not press into my penis hard enough. So to “smush” my penis into it, I will grab my penis from the end that has been inserted, and press it into the Vertica. Simultaneously, I will press the Vertica into my pubic area slightly. This creates a sort of “hourglass” shape to my penis, with the narrowest part being where the Vertica nodes make contact. This helps ensure the dome-shaped conductors have as much contact with my penis as possible.

I believe the Vertica releases RF energy in pulses, which occurs alongside an audible click. The wave indicator shows when the Vertica is releasing energy. If it doesn’t show, it means something has gone wrong somewhere, including possibly the penis being too hot.

I imagine the creation of a sham device that is perceived to operate identically to the active treatment device is difficult. Notably, when things go wrong. Could a sham device heat and then burn my penis? Could a sham device detect when my penis is too hot, and then detect that my penis has been moved by detecting that the skin it is in contact with is now cooler? Could a sham device tell that the pad is not connected correctly? Could a sham device have a similar charge time to the treatment device?

All of these characteristics, and more, I would notice immediately if they were different. Of course, I would hope that the participants in the trial wouldn’t be able to tell the sham from the treatment device, but there are people like me on the internet who describe what a real one is like.