Immediate Sales Pitch

One of the newer treatments for ED, Shock Wave Therapy is still in it's experimental stages. While the treatment often sounds promising, it is only effective for a few patients and the results are not permanent. Informed Consumers are the best patients!
Mazzio
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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby Mazzio » Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:55 pm

frank66665 wrote:
Mazzio wrote:
frank66665 wrote:I'm sorry but I've never heard a single person that the shockwaves worked


In USA 70% of shockwave trratments is given by people who are not capable. The treatment is given by physioterapists etc. Also the equipment used is not valid for the treatment. All of this can be read of recent inquiries.

In Europe the treatment is given by doctors and nurses and the equipment is right. The succees rate is 80-90% and is getting better all the time.
60 yrs, had venous leak all my life, sildenafil and other pills don't work anymore properly, using Caverject, tried shockwave.

CanGetItUpButNoMore
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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby CanGetItUpButNoMore » Thu Oct 06, 2022 8:34 pm

Mazzio wrote:
frank66665 wrote:
Mazzio wrote:


In USA 70% of shockwave trratments is given by people who are not capable. The treatment is given by physioterapists etc. Also the equipment used is not valid for the treatment. All of this can be read of recent inquiries.

In Europe the treatment is given by doctors and nurses and the equipment is right. The succees rate is 80-90% and is getting better all the time.

I agree with Mazzio. Optimal treatment is possible in the USA, but you have to differentiate between the serious investigators and the hucksters. I've tried, as a layman, to research and understand the several RCT research reports and my conclusion is that shockwave has promise. Nearly all the investigators seem to converge on a result that is not conclusive but tending toward hopeful. I've read no trials that conclude it's worthless so I believe any such conclusion must be anecdotal and probably based on cheap, improperly administered radial so-called shockwave.
68yo. Diabetes & hypertension drugs but none that are infamous for ED causation. Increasing ED compounded by frequent anorgasmia. Viagra for 2 years. Cabergoline experimentation inconclusive. New to pumping (Encore). Supportive (to a limit) wife.

frank66665
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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby frank66665 » Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:19 am

let's talk about focused shockwaves with the best car around at the moment, STORZ, I happened to read at least 10 on our forum that did shockwaves to no avail
56, ED since 2010, pills work but not well, trt in progress for 20 months, myocardial infarction January 2016, and stent September 2016, hypertension, venous loss, implant canceled because the pills started working again with the addition of proviron

CanGetItUpButNoMore
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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby CanGetItUpButNoMore » Sun Oct 09, 2022 7:09 pm

frank66665 wrote:let's talk about focused shockwaves with the best car around at the moment, STORZ, I happened to read at least 10 on our forum that did shockwaves to no avail

I expect you are right but I offer one caution in evaluating the Storz: the SD-1 is true focused shockwave. But Storz also makes radial shockwave devices. I have found it very difficult to read the marketing materials and determine what type of device is being used.
68yo. Diabetes & hypertension drugs but none that are infamous for ED causation. Increasing ED compounded by frequent anorgasmia. Viagra for 2 years. Cabergoline experimentation inconclusive. New to pumping (Encore). Supportive (to a limit) wife.

Mazzio
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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby Mazzio » Mon Oct 10, 2022 12:10 pm

Here is a link to an ED site in Sweden:

https://www.uik-stockholm.com/index.php ... behandling

It is in Swedish language but use translators. You will see that also venous leak is listed as cases that will benefit of shockwave.

In Nordic countries healthcare is serious business and shockwave is carefully analysed before comments like that are given.
60 yrs, had venous leak all my life, sildenafil and other pills don't work anymore properly, using Caverject, tried shockwave.

frank66665
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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby frank66665 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 6:00 pm

what do you want me to tell you ... to me it was not recommended, the doctors said ... more than one, that shock waves are needed if it is an arterial problem, if it is venous it is useless, then many andrologists / urologists advise against them saying that they create fibrosis, who has the car instead makes it to you even if you have a headache just to steal money, however many of my friends have made shockwaves with zero results, in any case on this forum I have read some who have made shockwaves with no results
56, ED since 2010, pills work but not well, trt in progress for 20 months, myocardial infarction January 2016, and stent September 2016, hypertension, venous loss, implant canceled because the pills started working again with the addition of proviron

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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby Txagq8 » Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:34 pm

Mazzio wrote:
frank66665 wrote:
Mazzio wrote:


In USA 70% of shockwave trratments is given by people who are not capable. The treatment is given by physioterapists etc. Also the equipment used is not valid for the treatment. All of this can be read of recent inquiries.

In Europe the treatment is given by doctors and nurses and the equipment is right. The succees rate is 80-90% and is getting better all the time.


I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’ve got my friend the LGX installed so shock waves mean as much to me as moonbeams and unicorn dust.

HOWEVER, making a statement like that raises the question. What is your source? Who has published that Europe is so successful and us unwashed, crass Americans are routinely treated by quacks?

I’ll put it succinctly. Provide a source to document those statistics. If you can’t provide a source, you probably shouldn’t quote them as fact. But maybe you can and will tell us where those numbers came from. I’ll be standing by.
Robust, adolescent 65 year old. Venous leakage forever. Used shots, shots+pills 30+ years. Married to same wife ~35 yrs. Implanted 31Dec2019 in Austin Tx. AMS 700 LGX 18 cm with 5 cm RTE.

frank66665
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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby frank66665 » Tue Oct 11, 2022 9:47 am

Txagq8 wrote:
Mazzio wrote:
frank66665 wrote:


In USA 70% of shockwave trratments is given by people who are not capable. The treatment is given by physioterapists etc. Also the equipment used is not valid for the treatment. All of this can be read of recent inquiries.

In Europe the treatment is given by doctors and nurses and the equipment is right. The succees rate is 80-90% and is getting better all the time.


I don’t have a dog in this fight. I’ve got my friend the LGX installed so shock waves mean as much to me as moonbeams and unicorn dust.

HOWEVER, making a statement like that raises the question. What is your source? Who has published that Europe is so successful and us unwashed, crass Americans are routinely treated by quacks?

I’ll put it succinctly. Provide a source to document those statistics. If you can’t provide a source, you probably shouldn’t quote them as fact. But maybe you can and will tell us where those numbers came from. I’ll be standing by.

I have no interest, what I mentioned are sources of users on the Italian forum and of friends who have done this therapy, it may be that you are right and god knows how I wish you were right and not me, also because I suspended mine implant that i should have done in november, my andrologist gave me mesterolone and doubled the strength of the pills, i would be grateful if you give me some reliable and recent sources for shock waves, maybe it will be useful, to me 2 andrologists said that if I had an arterial problem the shockwaves would be useful, since my e is venous leakage on a vascular basis would not have helped at all, now on that stockholm link he says it's okay too for venous leak and vascular base, at this point I am confused, please give me as many sources of shock wave as possible and recent thanks
56, ED since 2010, pills work but not well, trt in progress for 20 months, myocardial infarction January 2016, and stent September 2016, hypertension, venous loss, implant canceled because the pills started working again with the addition of proviron

frank66665
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Re: Immediate Sales Pitch

Postby frank66665 » Wed Oct 12, 2022 2:38 pm

CanGetItUpButNoMore wrote:
Mazzio wrote:
frank66665 wrote:


In USA 70% of shockwave trratments is given by people who are not capable. The treatment is given by physioterapists etc. Also the equipment used is not valid for the treatment. All of this can be read of recent inquiries.

In Europe the treatment is given by doctors and nurses and the equipment is right. The succees rate is 80-90% and is getting better all the time.

I agree with Mazzio. Optimal treatment is possible in the USA, but you have to differentiate between the serious investigators and the hucksters. I've tried, as a layman, to research and understand the several RCT research reports and my conclusion is that shockwave has promise. Nearly all the investigators seem to converge on a result that is not conclusive but tending toward hopeful. I've read no trials that conclude it's worthless so I believe any such conclusion must be anecdotal and probably based on cheap, improperly administered radial so-called shockwave.

@mazzio @CanGetItUpButNoMore I am interested in seeing users of this forum with venous leak that have shockwaves worked
56, ED since 2010, pills work but not well, trt in progress for 20 months, myocardial infarction January 2016, and stent September 2016, hypertension, venous loss, implant canceled because the pills started working again with the addition of proviron


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