Hello from a newbie!

Sticking a needle Where? Courage, guidance and help.

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bldoink
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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby bldoink » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:52 am

Remember, I'm not a medical professional of any kind and I'm just sharing my personal layman experiences. Always consult your doctor and follow his/her advice.
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Yes, stick with the 10/2 location. Definitely not 8 or 4.

How far up the shaft are you going? If always just 1 inch you can try a bit higher. Try 2 inches. I find it easier a bit higher than 1 inch.

If the needle is positioned correctly the plunger should depress fairly easily. If it's hard to depress you're in the wrong spot.

Using 1/2 inch needles most people will bury about 3/4 or so of the needle.

After I have the needle in the correct spot I find that injecting the meds very slowly helps to reduce pain.

There will be less pain inserting the needle if you get a finer gauge. For me 27 gauge would be too big. Try 30 gauge. You do have to take care to not bend the finer gauge needles. I use 31 gauge.

Yes, do take notes so you can remember what you've tried that works or not.
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R.R.P 2011 Mayo Jacksonville by Dr. Michael Wehle. Nerve sparing but damaged. V.E.D, Viagra and Alprostadil manually injected. Originally Edex20. Switched to Alprostadil from compounding pharmacy - cost. Injecting 5-6 yrs. It works. Treasure coast of FL.

newbie443
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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby newbie443 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:03 am

I watched the links that were still active. I think I have a better understanding now. I had read to go slower with the injection but did not know how slow was slow. I had read 4 seconds. But the auto injectors seem to take 1/2 that. I was considering a auto injector until I saw bldoink's vid on taking about a 1/2 a minute to inject. That vid also helped me understand how easy, easy is for depressing the syringe. Sounds like a lot of my problem may be the 27 gauge needle. My doc and pharmacy that has the script is closed today but maybe I can hit Walgreens or somewhere and take my script label in and get some 30 gauge syringes.

I have a date next weekend with a women for dinner and drinks and back to her place with a bottle of wine (for her, I rarely drink). Wish me luck on both.

Thanks for all the help pointing me in the right direction. It is difficult to find what you are looking for if you don't know what it is or where to look.
Started Trimix 2 22.5/0.50/0.0083 11/22/17 Going to 30/.5/0.01
Currently increasing dosage for desired results 60 years young

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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby bldoink » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:47 am

Remember, I'm not a medical professional of any kind and I'm just sharing my personal layman experiences. Always consult your doctor and follow his/her advice.
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What State are you in? Not all States require a script for syringes although some local governments within those States might. Florida doesn't require a script.

Sometimes a syringe plunger can have some initial resistance due to friction of the stopper inside the tube of the syringe. If you feel confident you're in the correct spot you can try pulling back very slightly on the plunger to break that initial resistance and then resume depressing the plunger. In no instance should there be much resistance depressing the plunger.

If you have continued resistance after breaking the plunger resistance by pulling it back slightly, then you don't have the needle placed correctly. If you've confirmed that the angle of injection is correct then adjust the depth in or out. Remember the angle of injection should be 10/2 and toward the center line.

Smaller volume syringes like the 1/2cc (0.5ml) or 0.3ml/cc will have less plunger resistance making determining needle placement by plunger resistance easier. But of course your options there are limited by the volume of meds being used.

Some members swear by the method of "aspirating" to confirm correct needle placement. This is done by inserting the needle to what is believed to be the correct depth and then withdrawing the plunger to see some blood drawn into the syringe. If blood is easily drawn into the syringe the needle placement is correct and the meds can then be successfully injected. Others con describe this technique better as I don't use it.

Good luck and keep at it. You'll get there soon.
R.R.P 2011 Mayo Jacksonville by Dr. Michael Wehle. Nerve sparing but damaged. V.E.D, Viagra and Alprostadil manually injected. Originally Edex20. Switched to Alprostadil from compounding pharmacy - cost. Injecting 5-6 yrs. It works. Treasure coast of FL.

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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby oldbeek » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:29 pm

The PGE-1 in trimix give sever pain in 30% of the guys. Bimix is then used. Your prescription gives me a super hard for 4 hrs and I have no nerves at all. On Insulin needles 10 units is .1 and so on. I think most guys use a 5/16 by 31 ga(smaller than 27) push it in till the plastic hub pushes against skin slightly. (get at any drug store) The tunica is hard when you hit it, you have to jab little deeper to pop through it. The smaller needle will help. If you stick part way through it the plunger will not push. Do NOT force the plunger. Bruising for me was when I did not get through the tunica. Hold pressure for 2 minutes after injection to stop bruising and bleeding. I have a 1 3/4 inch ved from amazon $28.00 and a silicon seal ( 6.00 amazon) that goes against the pubic area. I vac a nice erection then pull off the ved and leave the silicon sleeve. This keeps penis plump with veins more visible for better control of limp penis. Google the tunica so you know what you are dealing with. It is a hard wrapper envelopes the muscle you are injecting . I am not a doctor. Really i am newbie myself. ( 20 injections trying to find what works) This is what has worked for me. Good luck.
75 good health, URO City of Hope, PSA up and down Targeted, Mri guided biopsy 6-17, 2 out of 12 cores 4+3, RP 7-17, Cancer outside prostate all nerves taken ,, 7 weeks post RP PSA <.01 s Pain with tri 5 units trimix with 21 units bimix works

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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby oldbeek » Sun Dec 03, 2017 1:51 pm

I noticed auto inject was mentioned. My URO said he had to many failures with them. I bought one and had a failure every time I used it. I have a 60X dissecting microscope and found the needles bend on the tip, possibly from bouncing off the hard tunica. Maybe I have an extra hard tunica and maybe a larger diameter needle would not bend. Just my 2 cents on the subject. I started using it because my brain would not allow me to push the needle in. My brain would hardly allow me to push the button.I went back to manual inject. I have liquid lidocaine I put on the injection site few minutes before injection. Helps some.
75 good health, URO City of Hope, PSA up and down Targeted, Mri guided biopsy 6-17, 2 out of 12 cores 4+3, RP 7-17, Cancer outside prostate all nerves taken ,, 7 weeks post RP PSA <.01 s Pain with tri 5 units trimix with 21 units bimix works

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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby Cigar56 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:18 pm

newbie443 wrote:Doc said the injection would not produce desired results without stimulation.


Hmmmm. That's an interesting comment by your doc. The experience by most of us here is that you will automatically achieve an erection if you inject properly with the proper dosage. Stimulation will certainly help, but the erection should start on its own.
Age 61 as of 2017. Under "active surveillance" for small amounts of cancer in prostate as of 2016. Quit using ED pills and now using injections. Considering an implant. Surgeon advises shrinking prostate to avoid damaging bladder during RALP.

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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby Cigar56 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:29 pm

oldbeek wrote:I noticed auto inject was mentioned. My URO said he had to many failures with them. I bought one and had a failure every time I used it. I have a 60X dissecting microscope and found the needles bend on the tip, possibly from bouncing off the hard tunica. Maybe I have an extra hard tunica and maybe a larger diameter needle would not bend. Just my 2 cents on the subject. I started using it because my brain would not allow me to push the needle in. My brain would hardly allow me to push the button.I went back to manual inject. I have liquid lidocaine I put on the injection site few minutes before injection. Helps some.


I have the Autoject 2 and I am enjoying a 100 percent success rate. Some guys have good experiences with it, and some don't. Once you push the button on the Autoject it fires the needle and also injects the medicine. Really easy. I also have the Inject-Ease 100, which is a different device. It injects the needle at the push of a button, but the patient must manually push the plunger to dispense the Trimix.

I like the Autoject 2 the most, but did not like manually injecting.
Age 61 as of 2017. Under "active surveillance" for small amounts of cancer in prostate as of 2016. Quit using ED pills and now using injections. Considering an implant. Surgeon advises shrinking prostate to avoid damaging bladder during RALP.

newbie443
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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby newbie443 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:35 pm

Thanks for all the help and advice. I injected .35ml (35units, cc?) this morning using my 27 gauge needle. I have 22 gauge needles to draw the solution and just use the 27 to inject. I keep my solution frozen an let it melt enough to get a dose then freeze it again. I leave the syringe out to warm a bit while I prepare. I took a lot longer to inject this time. I had to adjust the needle until it pushed in really easy but I went very very slow. Still a drop of blood when the needle came out. I hold pressure for 5 minutes. A bit more swelling. It had less curve pointing down. Still not suitable. I would think I will see some results close to what is needed at about .5 ml or 50 units. I am still having some pain when I inject. Just have to see if I can manage the pain when the dose gets high enough. It's nice to know there is a bi mix that might help with the pain.
Started Trimix 2 22.5/0.50/0.0083 11/22/17 Going to 30/.5/0.01
Currently increasing dosage for desired results 60 years young

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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby newbie443 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:44 pm

Cigar56 wrote:
newbie443 wrote:Doc said the injection would not produce desired results without stimulation.


Hmmmm. That's an interesting comment by your doc. The experience by most of us here is that you will automatically achieve an erection if you inject properly with the proper dosage. Stimulation will certainly help, but the erection should start on its own.


I think that he wants my dose to be as low as possible. So that it is just enough for proper results with stimulation and not without. So maybe 7/8 or so of the way there and then the rest with help.

But I don't know. I'm still maybe somewhere around 1/2 way now.
Started Trimix 2 22.5/0.50/0.0083 11/22/17 Going to 30/.5/0.01
Currently increasing dosage for desired results 60 years young

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Re: Hello from a newbie!

Postby newbie443 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:53 pm

Pretty sure at this point a .5 ML (1/2 cc, 50 unit) syringe is going to be on the small side. I have stuff going on today and will hit the stores tonight to see what they have.
Started Trimix 2 22.5/0.50/0.0083 11/22/17 Going to 30/.5/0.01
Currently increasing dosage for desired results 60 years young


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