Measurements

[oowright]

Please, what is the relationship between ml, unit and mcg as used in this forum?

Thanks in advance for this enlightment.

[Cigar56]

It gets complicated. I'll talk about units. When you look at your syringe, you will see numbers along the side. They all represent units of medicine. For example, my typical dose is about 100 units. Another person might need only 5 units to reach an erection. It all depends on the level of ED, how a person reacts to the drug, and how the drug is composed.

When your urologist writes your prescription they will recommend your starting dose in terms of units. Then when you fill your syringe you will watch the markings along the side and fill to that number. So that's a quick overview of units. I'll let others chime in with more observations about the rest of your question. Good luck!

[jonbaldbg]

I don't know what unit the markings on my syringe are, but I use a syringe that is generally used for diabetics. My urologist allowed me to go to a max of 20. Unfortunately, the injections which worked like a charm at first got to where they were ineffective in about a year and now I'm going to go "bionic." I hear of a lot of guys where the injections work well for years, though.

[oowright]

Thanks so much cigar 56. I'll try to always have syringes marked in units.

However, I've seen posts where units are given in terms of ml (maybe 100units = 1ml?) and PGE1 are calculated in mcg from a prescription per ml. It's indeed confusing. I ask because I intend mixing the drugs to obtain higher (or lower) levels of PGE1 due to the pain.

Thanks again ...

[BigEyes]

Hi oowright

Please, what is the relationship between ml, unit and mcg as used in this forum?

Not just this forum but everywhere -- The U.S. uses the inch/pound/quart/pint/etc. system. Everywhere else uses the metric system. (meters/grams/liters) U.S. system is very confusing (1' = 12", 3'=1 yard, 1 lb = 16 oz, 4 qts = 1 gallon, etc), metric system is clearer. Everything is a multiple of 10. All scientists worldwide use the metric system.

a ml (milliliter) is 1/1000 of a liter (.001) and is a measurement of a liquid
a mg (milligram) is 1/1000 of a gram and is a measurement of a solid (powder, rock, etc.)
a mcg (microgram) is 1/1,000,000) of a gram and is a measurement of a solid

Injections are based on a standard insulin syringe which has graduations called units from 0 to 100 (for a 1 ml syringe) and 0 to 50 for a 0.5 ml syringe. Thus, 25 units on either syringe is equal to 1/4 of a ml. (0.25 ml)

Scripts for injections are typically given with using weight/milliliter. A typical starting script of 10, 30, 1 means
10 mcg/ml of PGE-1, 30 mg/ml of papaverine and 1 mg/ml of phenolamine. Note the PGE-1 is usually in mcg not mg. Some docs and/or pharmacies also list the concentration of chemicals per the size of the vial supplied (Empower does this.) Thus, a 5 ml vial will have numbers 5x larger that above.

So then, to confuse the unwary FrankTalk user even more, people on this board often list their scripts as their docs write them, and every doc has his own style. They reorder the chemicals, some specify the PGE-1 in mg, rather than mcg, etc.

If you really want an intelligent answer to a problem here, always list your script with the gms/ml #'s for each chemical as well as the number of units used for an injection. Without that info, and response is limited.

Hope I helped you, ............ Big

[rahod1]

Please, what is the relationship between ml, unit and mcg as used in this forum?

Thanks in advance for this enlightment.

A typical (diabetic) syringe is has 1ml TOTAL (or 1cc) and has them marked of in 100 *units*, so a *unit* is 1/100ml (.01ml).
When some one says they take 30 UNITS, they mean its up to the *30* mark on the syringe, which is .3Ml total.
1mcg (ug) is 1/1000 of a mg and is a weight unit. You will see this when indicating amount of PGE1 only. The other components of trimix (bimix)
are indicated in mg.

[oowright]

Bigeyes, you have given me an absolutely clear understanding of these units and will not be confused anymore. Thank you also rahod 1, your post helped to clarify about the syringes.
It's a better me reading the posts now. Thanks again ...

[BigEyes]

Guys

The nomenclature "diabetic syringe" has simply caught on -- like scotch tape for any clear sticky tape.

Syringes come in all sizes. For penile injection typical we use is either .5ml or 1.0 ml. Both are marked same way i.e. either 0-50 or 0-100. Units makes it simpler for those that have difficulty with fractions of a ml.(25 units is .25 ml on either size.) The .5ml syringe is better if you use a low dose (like 10-30 units) simply because it is easier to see the wider graduations on the syringe.

You might be more concerned with needle length. A "diabetic" syringe typically has a 1" needle length which may be too much for penile injection. If you look at a penile cross-section, you are looking to break thru the tunica (tough membrane about 1/8 thick) and hit one or the other (depending of the side) corpus cavernosum that lies on both sides of the penis. If you go in too deep you can hit the corpus spongiosum that runs down the lower middle of the shaft. Did this a couple times when I first started and it is not pleasant. The result was bleeding at the head of the penis. Didn't last long, but was a little scary. I find a 5/16 needle to be best. If you are using a 1" needle, going in at an angle can solve the problem.

Big

[BigEyes]

Guys

A bit more info on syringes. They are specified in Gauge (Ga.) with higher numbers being thinner needles. If your hand is relatively steady, a 31 ga. needle is best. It is thin enough so that you feel almost nothing going in. Some docs specify thicker gauges (I've seen up to 28 ga on this board.) My orig doc gave me 29 ga. and (quoting one unnamed presidential candidate) .... "believe me, folks" a 31 ga needle is a lot more comfortable than a 29 ga.!

If you're worried about it breaking inside you, it's not really an issue. Been discussed many places on this board and several guys, including myself have tested multiple needles. I found a 5/16 needle broke after about one dozen 90 degree bends. I've never bent one more than about 45 degrees in actual use, and if I did bend much more, I would discard it immediately.

Big

[oowright]

Another very useful clarification! These syringes are quite uncommon in my country and I was really on my own.

About needles. I have the 29G, 1/2". I thought that anytime I felt any resistance, I was hitting a vein and withdrew. Didn't know the tunica was hard so I have not had a successful shot on my own yet. Also had an inordinate fear of breakage in my dick but now wish to order in the 31G.

First shot was the only successful one, given by a nurse (we don't have urulogists) but painful due to the PGE1. I needed to water this down whilst maintaining the duration, hence the question about measurements.

I am now quite enlightened. Thanks so much ...