A serious warning for young healthy males (FALSE VENOUS LEAKS)
Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 11:50 am
I am a friend of s7utty who was kind enough to lend me his account as it is impossible for me to create a new one.
I'm writing this post because I'm very concerned about the way erectile dysfunction is being managed and discussed with young and healthy males. I see that many young individuals, with mild to moderate dysfunction, are diagnosed with "venous leaks" by Doppler examination. “Venous leak” is a very serious diagnosis that have a huge impact on these poor young people, most of whom have a dominant psychogenic cause for their ED.
In addition to numerous studies demonstrating the inaccuracy of Doppler tests, a recent study on a group of 302 young men with confirmed “venous leak” diagnosed by doppler ultrasound, showed that over 98% of them had no leakage after either repeating the Doppler test 3 times or undergoing sex therapy and repeating the Doppler test 2 times. The reason for these false diagnoses is that anxiety prevents the complete relaxation of the smooth muscle, which causes incomplete erection and thus non-functioning of the veno-occlusive mechanism, mimicking a venous leak on Doppler examination.
However, for 98% of the subjects studied, when anxiety is reduced (by repeating the doppler multiple times and with psychosexual therapy), and the smooth muscle relaxes completely, a full erection is achieved and the Doppler no longer shows a venous leak, hence the reason why some “venous leakers” have inconsistent erections (i.e. they can be very good sometimes, sometimes not).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29155195/
I am very disappointed to see the ignorance on this site regarding psychogenic erectile dysfunction. When we talk about a psychological cause, we're not just talking about "not being in the moment", it’s not only in the head, anxiety does have an organic and chemical impact on the relaxation of the smooth muscle of the penis. This is also demonstrated in the following study :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4837321/
So PLEASE, young people, if you're healthy and have inconsistent erections, please don't listen to the incompetent urologists who give you this dubious and simplistic diagnosis called "venous leak". Get a second and a third opinion. Don’t listen to the eldery on this forum who push implants as magic solution. Ask yourself the following questions : was I fully hard during the doppler exam ? Was the erection during the exam at least equivalent to the one I get home ? If the answer is no, then the exam is garbage, just google “false venous leak” and read the studies. If you can get and maintain a complete erection under some circonstances, you don’t have a fkn hole in your penis. You should work on anxiety management in order to to optimize the functioning of oral treatments (because yes, your psychogenic ED can counter the effect of the strongest dose of viagra, as you can see in the first study that I linked).
Peace.
I'm writing this post because I'm very concerned about the way erectile dysfunction is being managed and discussed with young and healthy males. I see that many young individuals, with mild to moderate dysfunction, are diagnosed with "venous leaks" by Doppler examination. “Venous leak” is a very serious diagnosis that have a huge impact on these poor young people, most of whom have a dominant psychogenic cause for their ED.
In addition to numerous studies demonstrating the inaccuracy of Doppler tests, a recent study on a group of 302 young men with confirmed “venous leak” diagnosed by doppler ultrasound, showed that over 98% of them had no leakage after either repeating the Doppler test 3 times or undergoing sex therapy and repeating the Doppler test 2 times. The reason for these false diagnoses is that anxiety prevents the complete relaxation of the smooth muscle, which causes incomplete erection and thus non-functioning of the veno-occlusive mechanism, mimicking a venous leak on Doppler examination.
However, for 98% of the subjects studied, when anxiety is reduced (by repeating the doppler multiple times and with psychosexual therapy), and the smooth muscle relaxes completely, a full erection is achieved and the Doppler no longer shows a venous leak, hence the reason why some “venous leakers” have inconsistent erections (i.e. they can be very good sometimes, sometimes not).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29155195/
I am very disappointed to see the ignorance on this site regarding psychogenic erectile dysfunction. When we talk about a psychological cause, we're not just talking about "not being in the moment", it’s not only in the head, anxiety does have an organic and chemical impact on the relaxation of the smooth muscle of the penis. This is also demonstrated in the following study :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4837321/
So PLEASE, young people, if you're healthy and have inconsistent erections, please don't listen to the incompetent urologists who give you this dubious and simplistic diagnosis called "venous leak". Get a second and a third opinion. Don’t listen to the eldery on this forum who push implants as magic solution. Ask yourself the following questions : was I fully hard during the doppler exam ? Was the erection during the exam at least equivalent to the one I get home ? If the answer is no, then the exam is garbage, just google “false venous leak” and read the studies. If you can get and maintain a complete erection under some circonstances, you don’t have a fkn hole in your penis. You should work on anxiety management in order to to optimize the functioning of oral treatments (because yes, your psychogenic ED can counter the effect of the strongest dose of viagra, as you can see in the first study that I linked).
Peace.